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    gwern‏ @gwern 20 Oct 2018

    Checklists are underrated: they're like programs for life. Whenever I've written a checklist, whether for travel or writing an article or sending out my newsletter, it's always been helpful. (You could try to memorize the procedure better with spaced repetition, but why?)

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      2. Adam Demirel‏ @AdamDemirel 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @gwern

        @gwern I agree wholeheartedly. They can be demoralizing though. I once went down the rabbit hole of beginning to view everything as a series of checklists and they lost their salience.

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      3. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @AdamDemirel @gwern

        I think I may have done that too. Also, not sure if it's the same problem, but I went through the GTD rabbit hole too of spending way too much time optimizing my todo lists. Where did you come out on this? Curious to know whether, and how, you were able to find the sweet spot.

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      4. gwern‏ @gwern 21 Oct 2018
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @AdamDemirel

        Moderation in all things... Like automation in general, I am suspicious of any formalism. I usually follow a 'rule of three': if I've explained something 3 times, forgotten it 3 times, or made a mistake 3 times, time to write it down/SRS/checklist it.

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      5. Adam Demirel‏ @AdamDemirel 20 Nov 2018
        Replying to @gwern @adamdavidlong

        Interesting. Why three? If you're juggling many things-to-remember at once, do you not fear that you're loading your working memory in some way with things to be remembered or count of things forgotten?

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      6. gwern‏ @gwern 20 Nov 2018
        Replying to @AdamDemirel @adamdavidlong

        3 just seems to be a cutoff between something that arises many times and something that's transient. Topics/activities/mistakes seem to me to be something like a lognormal distribution. Plus, at 3 times you probably have enough material to make a good essay/flashcards/checklist.

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      1. gwern‏ @gwern 21 Oct 2018
        Replying to @TheSourcinator

        And yet, amusingly, checklists were one of the big innovations of SREs.

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      2. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 20 Oct 2018
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        1/ All the more surprising that there is so much pushback to adoption of checklists. @RogerBohn has written a fantastic working paper examining the slow adoption of checklists in military aviation. Even when it was OBVIOUS that it would save many lives -- adoption was still

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      3. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @gwern @RogerBohn

        2/ astonishingly slow "Despite the benefits of Standard Procedure Flying for both safety and efficiency, by the end of WW2 only a few air forces had fully embraced it. This paper describes the highly varied adoption patterns of different forces"

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      4. gwern‏ @gwern 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @RogerBohn

        While reading https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/2004-previc-spatialdisorientationinaviation.djvu … https://www.gwern.net/Scanners  , I was struck by how in early aviation in the 1910s/1920s, there apparently was huge resistance to 'instrument flying' and spinning chairs demonstrating inability to orient oneself. So pilots kept dying like flies.

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      5. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @gwern @RogerBohn

        1/ If you haven't read it already, I commend @RogerBohn's paper to you as it seems right up your alley. Among other virtues, he discusses the role of cultural differences between different air forces seemed to play an important role.

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      6. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @gwern @RogerBohn

        2/ E.g. IIRC, (and hope he can correct me if I am oversimplifying) the use of checklists (which for him is only a part of what he calls "standard procedure flying") seemed to be adopted much more quickly in the new Army Air Corp than in the tradition-bound navy.

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      7. Roger Bohn‏ @RogerBohn 23 Oct 2018
        Replying to @adamdavidlong @gwern

        Foreign pilots were even worse. In 1955 when German aces taught to fly jets in US, they had culture shock. One ace with 150 kills was told that he was a lousy pilot!

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      8. Adam David Long‏ @adamdavidlong 23 Oct 2018
        Replying to @RogerBohn @gwern

        I'm probably oversimplifying, but I see interesting parallels in medicine and Law (my field) around e.g. artificial intelligence and machine learning, even document automation software. "Maybe those other depts can use new tools, but I'm just fine with good old microsoft word."

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      1. Mark Nagelberg‏ @MarkNagelberg 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @gwern

        Huge checklist fan. Recommend Atul Gawande “Checklist Manifesto”https://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0312430000 …

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      1. niltype‏ @al_pal_22 20 Oct 2018
        Replying to @gwern

        Checklists also force you to articulate and order ideas, which helps with clarity and they're sharable if you need to delegate. I want to write a desktop app with a keyboard shortcut for quick protocol creation using checklist steps + screen video/audio recording for elaboration.

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      1. windows vista‏ @phosphoaperient 20 Oct 2018
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        My mind works in checklists. Very efficient

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      1. Rajiv Patel-O'Connor‏ @rajivpoc 20 Oct 2018
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        Based off your experience, what constitutes a great checklist?

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