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    Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

    Vaccine Passport - Deep Dive 🚨 There’s a lot of talk about the morality of C-19 vaccine passports I want to focus on the issue of whether they make sense from a public health perspective Not only don’t they make sense, they’re actually counterproductive Here’s why Thread 1

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      2. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        First, let’s establish some facts 1) C-19 is here to stay...we’ll never eradicate it 2) Everybody will eventually be infected 3) Viral respiratory infections are usually asymptomatic 4) Vaccines protect against disease, not infection 5) Common CVs still kill the elderly 2

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      3. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        Most people don’t realize that the deadly 1918 Spanish Flu (H1N1) and its variants are is still with us today No effective H1N1 vaccine have ever been developed so why doesn’t it kill loads of people? While it still kills some people, we’ve collectively become immune to it 3

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      4. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        This has happened with every single pandemic Because it is new, it kills off the susceptible in 2-3 waves and then fades into the background of the hundreds of respiratory viruses that commonly circulate These viruses still sometimes kill but it is elderly/sick people 4

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      5. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        So the question health experts should be asking is how do we get to the point where C19 becomes a common respiratory virus? Before I answer this I want to explain what the vaccine does It greatly decreases the chances that an infection will proceed to symptomatic disease 5

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      6. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        And it almost eliminates chance that exposure will lead to severe disease or death On the other hand, immunity to coronaviruses tends to decrease in time Also, being vaccinated does not offer more efficient immunity than being infected with the actual SARS-CoV-2 virus 6

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      7. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        So ideally you want to ensure that you have some pre-existing immunity to C19 and then let it circulate freely Why? Reinfection serves as a booster shot Vaccines ensure that high risk individuals have sufficient pre-existing immunity that they won’t die if exposed 7

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      8. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        But the clock is ticking Immunity starts decreasing as time passes If the idea is to achieve a level of balance with the virus then having it circulate is how you ensure that immunity doesn’t decrease below a threshold where the virus is deadly 8

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      9. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        If I have just completed my vaccine schedule for C19, I want to go out into a world where C19 circulates! Why? Re-exposure, will allow my immune system to see the entire virus and all its epitopes, and will keep me up to date with new variants 9

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      10. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        Paradoxically, vaccinated people should not want restrictions They should want life back to normal because re-exposure is actually beneficial But the longer it takes to be re-exposed, the weaker your immune response 10

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      11. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        For a vaccinated person, freely circulating C19 is not a bad thing Now, if you choose not to get the vaccine then you believe your pre-existing immunity is a better bet than the risks of the vaccine I got vaccinated because I think the vax gives you better odds 11

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      12. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        People who don’t get vaccinated know full well that they will eventually have to deal with an infection by SARS-CoV-2 It is not vaccinated people who are at risk from non-vaccinated people, but rather the other way around If we segregate for 2 years then it will flip! 12

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      13. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        The unvaccinated will probably have already been exposed while the segregated vaccinated people’s immunity has waned and are now more susceptible because of a lack of circulating virus in their ranks I hope this is not too confusing 13

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      14. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        The ideal solution is to get to a point where everybody who wants a vaccine has gotten one Then reopen completely and let the virus circulate normally That’s how C19 becomes just another respiratory virus 14

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      15. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        This will lead to deaths in unvaccinated people, but this is their choice to make And they have enough information to make decisions based on their level of risk You can’t force vax because it doesn’t endanger vaccinated people! 15

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      16. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        Now I’m going to explain why you can’t force people to take a vaccine for a respiratory virus Respiratory viruses do not go away Our common defense against respiratory viruses is to let them circulate freely so that our immune systems are constantly adapting to new variants 16

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      17. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        You can’t compare respiratory viruses to other diseases where mass vaccination (polio) or segregation (leprosy) actually makes sense I see a lot of intelligent people making dumb statements on this subject Its a respiratory virus FFS! It’s not aerosolsized ebola! 17

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      18. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        There is a natural balace between humans and respiratory viruses The pandemic stage sucks, as susceptible people people die But then the virus starts to circulate freely and our immune systems do the rest Yes, a vaccine helps but not in terms of eradicating the resp virus 18

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      19. Gummi Bear‏ @gummibear737 Apr 2

        If we ever want to get back to normal, then once everbody who wants it has been vaccinated, we need to return to normal Current policy on passports makes no sense Segregating vax’d people from non-vax’d is detrimental to vax’d people’s immune health against C19/variants 19pic.twitter.com/Vw6UQLp9nV

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