If the society already has significant groups of outsiders, which isn't uncommon, the impulse can begin the other way. Imagine it's 1830 and you're in a region that's 80% black folks. You could easily say, "look what happened in the Haitian revolution!" - quite a voter turnout.
These tend to happen because the successors of these two original movements, because these movements are saying one thing but really mean another, tend to forget the joke and take the rhetoric completely seriously.
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A funny example of Alienist hypocrisy is that MP from Britain who supposedly took in foreign refugees but it was really the diplomat from some country (for a lot of money) but ended up somehow losing their house because of diplomatic immunity or something of this sort.
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We all know of the person who notoriously had their child killed by illegal aliens but justified it because of the good food trucks. When you are starting to annihilate yourself for the sake of your politics take a pause, ladies and gentlemen!
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The counter example of this, which has no doubt happened, would be a person justifying the loss of all their sons in war because they managed to kill a few of the hated out-group. The French pretty much depleted their society's great force and character this way.
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rather than claiming, as some men do, that these choices were necessary to be made and thus nations are trapped into degeneration, I'll note, evolutionarily, that the nations that survive are those who were able to produce and elevate leaders able to undertake other options.
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