"more honorable than the cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim..."https://twitter.com/DrJoshMadden/status/1047173448202702848 …
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Replying to @gtaogle
Yes, but by grace, not by nature. By grace, of course a "change of position" is possible. However, by nature, there is a definite fixed order.
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Replying to @DrJoshMadden
disagree, human nature is intended to be deified, to become "like God in every way but nature" which actually makes it greater than the angels, who cannot participate in this. The Theotokos is our witness to this possibility. This would also raise Q's about demons too
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Replying to @gtaogle
Angels do in fact participate in this divinization. They see God face to face, they are created in the image and likeness of God, and participate in the divine life. Mary is Queen of the Angels by grace, not by nature. I think you're conflating some things here
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Replying to @DrJoshMadden
I'm not going argue further on this point, but you're missing some important source material here. Seeing the face of God is one thing, but participating in his nature is another, which it's plain is greater. As for the naming of angels, they weren't placed under our dominion.
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Replying to @gtaogle
Angels & humans both participate in the divine nature by grace. How that happens is of course different, since we're different kinds of creatures. According to nature, angels are a higher kind of creature than humans; by grace, human beings can be elevated above them (i.e. Mary)
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Replying to @DrJoshMadden
I think you're assuming that Mary's elevation, rather than being a manifestation of the full capacity of man, is some kind of super-added grace, which as I understand it, we Orthodox do not hold to. The rest of the disagreements (I would say, mistakes) flow from here.
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Replying to @gtaogle
Well I'm a Catholic theologian, and so no, I would not hold to one of the various Orthodox theological systems. And quite frankly, this particular teaching is explicit as far back Dionysius' "Celestial Hierarchy"
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Replying to @DrJoshMadden
First of all, y'all call him "pseudo-Dionysius" so I'd question the degree to which you view his system as the final answer on the nature of the celestial hierarchy.
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