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    1. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      No, exactly the opposite. It exposes a) that faith and truth are not actually opposed and b) the hubris of those who claim to operate by some faithless mode of knowing. The humanists have a faith; so do the materialists etc. They are false faiths, though.

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    2. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      you're missing the distinction here between fact and truth, these are not the same thing. Fact (that which has happened) cannot be the object of faith in the same way something that is unseen or yet to happen is. Faith is being contrasted to *fact* - or "reality". (idem)

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    3. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      Something that has happened is always an object of faith. There is no unmediated, direct access to 'facts'--even immediate sense perception doesnt deliver facts apart from a faith that your senses map onto an objective exterior reality (something unprovable).

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    4. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      This doesnt make truth arbitrary or relativistic guess work. It just acknowledges the reality of the human condition being one that requires faith to act, and the absence of knowledge apart from it.

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    5. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      the "proof" concerning reality is not beyond the standard of the capacity of our senses and accounts to establish what has happened. This is not the same as "the faith of hearing"; once we have seen, as Paul says, we do not need "faith" any longer.

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    6. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      The same Paul who explicitly said we "walk by faith and NOT by sight"? (emphasis mine)

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    7. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      This isn't contradictory to my point specifically, no. I'm not claiming Christians should "walk by sight", only that people who walk by sight don't "Require" faith, or certainly do not need to extend trust beyond what is immediate.

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    8. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      The natural man walks by sight and trusts what he sees to be true; trusts that the material world is all there is; etc. Just as you will serve Mammon or God, you will have faith in one or the other.

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    9. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      yes, of course. But this does not imply that we do not also see, only that what we see we can understand in light of things which "are substantial but unseen", or "hoped for"; metaphyiscal things on one hand and things-yet-to-be on the other, t'which the natural man has no access

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    10. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      Agreed. I was never positing that Christians need be 'sightless' with regard to natural reality, just that sight is always bound up with whatever framework by which you see and that there doesnt exist an observation platform outside of faith...

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      System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      well, again, I think it is sophistic to conflate the trust in senses and experience to that which concerns metaphysical truths and things-yet-to-come. "faith based" is made to imply that our beliefs are only personal convictions about such, and not also about certain facts.

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        2. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          The existence of the exterior world is a metaphysical claim.

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        3. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          it's not and you know it isn't.

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        4. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          Of course it is.

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        5. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          it's not. People wake up in the morning in the exterior world, needing no claim (metaphysical or otherwise) that the world in which they exist, exists. It simply is. You can doubt its existence, but this is generally a form of academic skepticism.

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        6. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          Yhere is no way whatever world you wake up in corresponds to the world others inhabit, or that you are not the only conscious mind within it etc. I agree that *in reality* people do wake up and are in the world that just is, because their mode of being is a natural faith..

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        7. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          Incorrect, although I can imagine that humans which were raised outside of contact of another human being might genuinely have this issue. You spend the first 9 months of your life INSIDE another human, if this is not "the same world", what is

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        8. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          I just said it is that world. I am asking how someone who denies the necessity of faith for knowing can establish that, given that the experience of being inside a human could be a deception (or that you could be the first human born with conscious experience, rest automotons).

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