"faith-based" sucks as a term and we need to purge it from the mainstream
it's the truth Nathan! If isn't true, then our faith is useless - which is what "faith based" is all about. Fuzzy aspirations towards feelings. It matters not whether our grasp of the facts (what has happened) relies on faith - this is not what is at hand!
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? I just said it was true.. "the one true God." We agree, Christianity is true. Was that ever a point of contention?
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what I mean is that retreating into "well everything is held by faith" isn't really hitting the point. Then we're basically saying "well sort of nothing is really true" - there are obviously different senses of "faith" being used and this is actually making the ambiguity greater.
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No, exactly the opposite. It exposes a) that faith and truth are not actually opposed and b) the hubris of those who claim to operate by some faithless mode of knowing. The humanists have a faith; so do the materialists etc. They are false faiths, though.
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you're missing the distinction here between fact and truth, these are not the same thing. Fact (that which has happened) cannot be the object of faith in the same way something that is unseen or yet to happen is. Faith is being contrasted to *fact* - or "reality". (idem)
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Something that has happened is always an object of faith. There is no unmediated, direct access to 'facts'--even immediate sense perception doesnt deliver facts apart from a faith that your senses map onto an objective exterior reality (something unprovable).
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You are erecting a standard of proof never possible, and this is arguing in bad faith! the trust in senses and accounts with regards to facts is different in kind than that regarding revealed truths. In fact, revelations are often given in a "factual" form - concrete visions.
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It's different only in the sense that the latter is a theological virtue, but not fundamentally different. Belief in the exterior world's correspondance to normal sense perception is just faith that e.g. God is not a deceiver, and the world is part of his self-revelation..
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this is not faith though! People do not have faith in their senses in any literal sense, Duff! This is an analogy or metaphor! If we treat this, we end up as academic skeptics; claiming all sense is held by faith but functioning - like everyone does - with immediate sense.
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