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    1.  🦇 Hauntwald  👻‏ @ETDEUMPURITAS Oct 1

      "faith-based" sucks as a term and we need to purge it from the mainstream

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    2. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @ETDEUMPURITAS

      mainly because it is inherently redundant. All human action in the world, beyond base survival instinct, is faith-based.

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      rather, it conflates the concept of "a faith", which is a term referring to the Christian religion (or some type of it) with "faith" - trust. Thus "faith based" is often ambiguous in misleading ways. Is it implying something is 'not true but held on trust' or 'of a religion'?

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    4. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      as for "not true but held on trust" it's easy to see that things which have yet to pass fall into this category (they are not facts; they cannot be as they have not yet come to pass!) Yet misapplying this to things which have already happened gives the impression of fallacy.

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    5. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      There are different senses of the word, but not what I'm getting at; human action in the world (again, save mere survival) is always based on a pre-rational, religious mode of being called faith (even when the object of said faith is not God).

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    6. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      this isn't the problem, I think. It's claiming that these things are not based on truth, but on belief, which has never been the classical Christian claim. It's not because we believe, but because it is true - we believe it because it is true.

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    7. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
      Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

      That the object of out faith is the One True God is the classical Christian claim, not that we know him other than by his self-revelation in history, and in the Church, which we know by faith. There are other false gods which are the objects of false faiths.

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      System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
      Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

      it's the truth Nathan! If isn't true, then our faith is useless - which is what "faith based" is all about. Fuzzy aspirations towards feelings. It matters not whether our grasp of the facts (what has happened) relies on faith - this is not what is at hand!

      3:48 PM - 1 Oct 2018
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        2. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          ? I just said it was true.. "the one true God." We agree, Christianity is true. Was that ever a point of contention?

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        3. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          what I mean is that retreating into "well everything is held by faith" isn't really hitting the point. Then we're basically saying "well sort of nothing is really true" - there are obviously different senses of "faith" being used and this is actually making the ambiguity greater.

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        4. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          No, exactly the opposite. It exposes a) that faith and truth are not actually opposed and b) the hubris of those who claim to operate by some faithless mode of knowing. The humanists have a faith; so do the materialists etc. They are false faiths, though.

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        5. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          you're missing the distinction here between fact and truth, these are not the same thing. Fact (that which has happened) cannot be the object of faith in the same way something that is unseen or yet to happen is. Faith is being contrasted to *fact* - or "reality". (idem)

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        6. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          Something that has happened is always an object of faith. There is no unmediated, direct access to 'facts'--even immediate sense perception doesnt deliver facts apart from a faith that your senses map onto an objective exterior reality (something unprovable).

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        7. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          You are erecting a standard of proof never possible, and this is arguing in bad faith! the trust in senses and accounts with regards to facts is different in kind than that regarding revealed truths. In fact, revelations are often given in a "factual" form - concrete visions.

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        8. Unwoke Duffy (Monogamy Enforcer)  📟‏ @TheIllegit Oct 1
          Replying to @gtaogle @ETDEUMPURITAS

          It's different only in the sense that the latter is a theological virtue, but not fundamentally different. Belief in the exterior world's correspondance to normal sense perception is just faith that e.g. God is not a deceiver, and the world is part of his self-revelation..

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        9. System of a Dad‏ @gtaogle Oct 1
          Replying to @TheIllegit @ETDEUMPURITAS

          this is not faith though! People do not have faith in their senses in any literal sense, Duff! This is an analogy or metaphor! If we treat this, we end up as academic skeptics; claiming all sense is held by faith but functioning - like everyone does - with immediate sense.

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