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Weirdos who defend Russia love saying "Putin made clear x was unacceptable" as if Putin declaring something is how we decide what is right and wrong
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Realists try to do this thing where they just say utilitarianism is the only acceptable ethical framework and so they just say their policy preferences are also moral, but personally I think its better to clearly distinguish what gets us better outcomes from ethics.
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Like obviously different people will have different ethical calibrations but as long as we can all agree on the facts that's fine.
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