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TJ Usiyan
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TJ Usiyan

@griotspeak

Teacher. I am fond of good poetry, music, software, and many combinations thereof.

Joined April 2011
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    1. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher 25 Dec 2015

      "The idea of locking things down further, with final as the default, is insane" — @mjtsai http://mjtsai.com/blog/2015/12/21/swift-proposal-for-default-final/ … Couldn't agree more.

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    2. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

      @mpweiher @mjtsai I disagree. Explicitly supporting subclassing makes sense to me. I understand not wanting it but the idea is *not* insane.

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    3. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai 25 Dec 2015

      @griotspeak @mpweiher Making it explicit will inevitably prevent some workarounds from being possible. Can’t foresee where bugs will be.

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      TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

      @mjtsai @mpweiher that is unfortunate. Subclassing a type not meant to be subclasses is also unfortunate.

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        1. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher 25 Dec 2015

          @griotspeak Subclassing a type not intended for it may be unfortunate, it may be necessary/desirable. Either way it is fixable. @mjtsai

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        3. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

          @mpweiher @mjtsai I simply believe that vendors who don't explicitly open their classes should received increases pressure to *fix* them

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        5. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

          @mpweiher @mjtsai This should lead to them opting into subclassing (well done or otherwise) or fixing their types.

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        7. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

          @mpweiher @mjtsai If the vendor does *neither* then they are **truly** terrible vendors and the language should *not* cater to them.

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        8. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher 25 Dec 2015

          @griotspeak "I'll throw myself off a cliff in order to force the vendor to install safety nets" doesn't appeal as a sound strategy. @mjtsai

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        9. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

          @mpweiher @mjtsai The proposed change is *not* 'throwing myself off a cliff'. It just isn't. It is forcing explicitness.

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        11. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai 26 Dec 2015

          @griotspeak @mpweiher Analogies…it’s like saying that cars are crashing, so let's ban seat belts because then safer cars will be built.

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        12. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 26 Dec 2015

          @mjtsai @mpweiher Or… it like CPUs and overclocking. "Deciding to repurpose this *might* be harmful. It is known safe up to this speed"

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        1. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai 25 Dec 2015

          @griotspeak @mpweiher to work. I’d prefer to just get everything later and more solid. Work on my apps instead of around the OS issues.

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        2. Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher 25 Dec 2015

          @mjtsai And when the new release comes there is time for 3rd parties to fix. This is different from not being able to fix. @griotspeak

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      1. TJ Usiyan ‏@griotspeak 25 Dec 2015

        @mjtsai @mpweiher the need to opt in to subclassing will hopefully mean that we develop habits to make good on the promise of subclassibilty

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      2. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai 25 Dec 2015

        @griotspeak @mpweiher Patching is even more necessary now that there are public OS betas. So many customers download them and expect apps

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