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Swift and Objective-C Runtime Wrangler

above Los Gatos, CA
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    1. Peter Steinberger‏ @steipete 2 Oct 2018

      ARMv8.3 aka arm64e Why should you care? If you're a developer, that gives you Javascript floats in an ARM assembly instruction. http://newosxbook.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19557 …

      7 replies 96 retweets 242 likes
      Greg Parker‏ @gparker 2 Oct 2018
      Replying to @steipete

      More precisely: ARMv8.3 adds a new float-to-int instruction with errors and out-of-range values handled the way that JavaScript wants. The previous insns to get JavaScript's semantics were much slower. JavaScript's numbers are double by default so it needs this conversion a lot.

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        2. Peter Steinberger‏ @steipete 3 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker

          JavaScript really made it. We now tweak CPUs to make it faster.

          9 replies 220 retweets 706 likes
        3. Gábor Bukovics‏ @gaborbukovics 3 Oct 2018
          Replying to @steipete @gparker

          Remember Jazelle?

          1 reply 0 retweets 25 likes
        4. Greg Parker‏ @gparker 3 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gaborbukovics @steipete

          The only things I knew about Jazelle were that it had something to do with Java and it used the other low-order instruction pointer bit (next to the Thumb bit).

          0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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        2. re:fi.64‏ @refi_64 7 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker @steipete

          I know it seems insane, but IMO this is a good thing. A lot of other software does similar conversions, as well as some other languages.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Philipp Blum‏ @Citrullin 8 Oct 2018
          Replying to @refi_64 @gparker @steipete

          Sorry, but AMD can do something like this, but ARM is a RISC architecture. It should focus on core instructions. That's the whole point of RISC. So basically, what this development means: ARM for high performance is dead. We need to use RISC-V instead.

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. Nick Bailey‏ @nick_j_bailey 9 Oct 2018
          Replying to @Citrullin @refi_64 and

          It means they can't think on anything better to do with all the free transistors (cheaper to add a FET to a CPU than a grain of salt to a bag of salt). This won't change until we stop thinking imperatively.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Philipp Blum‏ @Citrullin 9 Oct 2018
          Replying to @nick_j_bailey @refi_64 and

          Actually I this was more a marketing driven decision. A lot of tech media is using web-based benchmark tests... and now they are faster. There are also a lot of people who think it is a good idea to use JS for apps.

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        6. Peter Steinberger‏ @steipete 9 Oct 2018
          Replying to @Citrullin @nick_j_bailey and

          There are a lot of cases where sharing logic in JS for apps is great. Also, it’s reality and it’s smart to acknowledge that and make these existing (and new) apps faster.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        7. Philipp Blum‏ @Citrullin 9 Oct 2018
          Replying to @steipete @nick_j_bailey and

          All these: "Write once, use it everywhere JS frameworks." totally failed. Just to name a few examples: https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/13/facebook-android-faster/?guccounter=1 …https://medium.com/airbnb-engineering/sunsetting-react-native-1868ba28e30a …

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        8. Peter Steinberger‏ @steipete 9 Oct 2018
          Replying to @Citrullin @nick_j_bailey and

          Works pretty well here for us. Using one negative example doesn’t really reflect the market. Heck, even PDF has JavaScript logic, I happily take any CPU acceleration I can get.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        9. Philipp Blum‏ @Citrullin 9 Oct 2018
          Replying to @steipete @nick_j_bailey and

          Two examples. I also know a lot of other companies who struggled with that. But that's not the main argument against it: Inefficient is. Sorry, but we have to do things in a more efficient way. We don't have a second planet. And a Chat with 500Mb of memory isn't that efficient.

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        2. José Manuel Nieto‏ @SuperJMN 7 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker @steipete

          CPUs conditioned by a shitty programming language. Seeing is believing...

          5 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
        3. Kevin Lozandier‏ @KevinLozandier 7 Oct 2018
          Replying to @SuperJMN @gparker @steipete

          A great deal of use by mainstream users is the Web & the primary programming language of the Web JS. JS is prob one of the few prog langs you can count on will be on a PC & mobile. It only makes sense for the best interest of mainstream users for CPUs optimize the use of JS…

          2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
        4. José Manuel Nieto‏ @SuperJMN 8 Oct 2018
          Replying to @KevinLozandier @gparker @steipete

          JavaScript is shit no matter what you say or do. If you adapt a processor's instruction set to a shit, you're doing it wrong.

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        5. Greg Parker‏ @gparker 8 Oct 2018
          Replying to @SuperJMN @KevinLozandier @steipete

          If your CPU design performs some popular computation inefficiently simply because you think that computation is bad, you're doing it wrong. CPU design is not a morality play.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. José Manuel Nieto‏ @SuperJMN 8 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker @KevinLozandier @steipete

          If you design a CPU taking into account how a specific programming language behaves, excuse me, but it's not about moral, it's about programming principles and, concretely, about wrong abstraction levels. Tailoring a CPU to JavaScript is pragmatic, but a huge aberration.

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        2. Erik Verbruggen‏ @ErikVerbruggen 3 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker @steipete

          Does the pointer magic affect NaN-boxing?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Greg Parker‏ @gparker 3 Oct 2018
          Replying to @ErikVerbruggen @steipete

          Pointer authentication, you mean? It's opt-in—the simplest use only authenticates call stack return addresses—so you could continue to use un-authenticated pointers in your boxed values.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Erik Verbruggen‏ @ErikVerbruggen 3 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker @steipete

          Ah, I guess that’s what JavaScriptCore is using? Because that also uses NaN boxing afaik.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Joe Groff‏ @jckarter 4 Oct 2018
          Replying to @gparker @slava_pestov @steipete

          It's never been a better time to be a Javascript developer on iOS

          2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
        3. odbol‏ @odbol 7 Oct 2018
          Replying to @jckarter @gparker and

          Except for all the missing web standards in Safari

          3 replies 1 retweet 40 likes
        4. Blue‏ @8eecf0d2 7 Oct 2018
          Replying to @odbol @jckarter and

          Yeah more like “there’s never been a better time to benchmark JavaScript on iOS”

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