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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018
      Replying to @EdzardErnst @usnehal and

      What's BS? The ideas? The goals? The fact that CAM stands in for these? I'm well aware of the problems with these (3 and 5, say) but I think it's reasonable to say that CAM tries to bind them all up under a single label.

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    3. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018

      Well, yes. I just meant that in the rhetoric of CAM it stands in for those (withholding judgment about the efficacy or sincerity of that rhetoric).

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    5. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018

      I agree. (I don't agree with regards to the idea of "natural," which I think has value, but that's a much longer conversation.)

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    6. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @EdzardErnst and

      So “natural” has to be expanded upon and these false dichotomies have to be exposed. Arsenic is natural. Lead is natural. Those are poisons. Natural does not automatically mean good or safe. It is possible to reason with people on these topics without showing disdain.

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    7. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
      Replying to @usnehal @AlanLevinovitz and

      Just like “natural” arsenic can kill you, so can a medical error or side effect. There is genuine harm in the allopathic system, that if not acknowledged, will drive people away. It can feel good to say “You are wrong and dumb too.” But does not change minds or outcomes.

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    8. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018
      Replying to @usnehal @EdzardErnst and

      I agree that disdain is bad, and I hope I've never called anyone dumb. Thanks for the conversation.

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    9. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @usnehal and

      I'd take her more seriously if she'd stop using the word "allopathic" so much. Hint: It's a disparaging word coined by Samuel Hahnemann, the creator of homeopathy, to describe medicine that is not homeopathy. Only the woo-friendly use it to describe conventional medicine.

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    10. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
      Replying to @gorskon @AlanLevinovitz and

      Very lawyerly. Pick the better term if you don’t like allopathic. Educate me. It is common to discredit the individual based on some detail and then disregard anything of value. People are misusing CAM or being sloppy in definitions. Be consistent in what the rules are.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
      Replying to @usnehal @AlanLevinovitz and

      This is Twitter. I have an extensive body of writings going back to 2004 explaining, sometimes in excruciating detail, why I consider CAM to be a bogus term. They can't be encompassed in even a Tweetstorm. I'd start posting representative links, but I doubt you'd be interested.

      10:49 AM - 17 May 2018
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        2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @usnehal and

          Basically, CAM and integrative medicines are labels designed to facilitate the integration of pseudoscience and quackery into medicine.

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        3. Quidama‏ @IamBreastCancer 17 May 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @jvrbntz and

          IME, it's nearly impossible to find anyone advocating for "CAM" or integrative medicine who *doesn't* make false/exaggerated claims about it.

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        2. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @AlanLevinovitz and

          Come, come, now. What serious scientist would make so many assumptions about others on such limited data? Super unscientific. 😉 Let’s try that again 🙂 “I have published extensively on this topic. If you are interested, I can share.”

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        3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
          Replying to @usnehal @AlanLevinovitz and

          David Gorski, MD, PhD Retweeted Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH

          I made a conclusion based on your tone. 😏https://twitter.com/usnehal/status/997166028416323584 …

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          Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH @usnehal
          Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @EdzardErnst and 3 others
          We jusr have to be measured. No one used term “dumb”, but pointing out the general tone. And those who have a chip on their shoulder can hear that implied in certain words. That being said, obviously, some people will get offended no matter how measured one’s words.
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        1. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @AlanLevinovitz and

          Further, Twitter is never just about the person you are responding to. It is a public forum and whatever you assume about me and my interests, there are silent readers whose interests you cannot know. If you have published on the topic, it is a public service to share it.

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