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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @usnehal and

      Like the idea of "natural" with which it often appears, CAM is a single term that stands in for distinct goals & beliefs: 1. Patient empowerment 2. Attention to lifestyle 3. The idea we are "inherently" healthy 4. Respect for indigenous cultures 5. Belief in an Edenic past 2/

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    2. Edzard Ernst‏ @EdzardErnst 17 May 2018
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @usnehal and

      CAM is a single term that stands in for distinct goals & beliefs: 1. Patient empowerment 2. Attention to lifestyle 3. The idea we are "inherently" healthy 4. Respect for indigenous cultures 5. Belief in an Edenic past WITH RESPECT, THIS IS BS!

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    3. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018
      Replying to @EdzardErnst @usnehal and

      What's BS? The ideas? The goals? The fact that CAM stands in for these? I'm well aware of the problems with these (3 and 5, say) but I think it's reasonable to say that CAM tries to bind them all up under a single label.

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    5. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018

      Well, yes. I just meant that in the rhetoric of CAM it stands in for those (withholding judgment about the efficacy or sincerity of that rhetoric).

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    7. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018

      I agree. (I don't agree with regards to the idea of "natural," which I think has value, but that's a much longer conversation.)

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    8. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @EdzardErnst and

      So “natural” has to be expanded upon and these false dichotomies have to be exposed. Arsenic is natural. Lead is natural. Those are poisons. Natural does not automatically mean good or safe. It is possible to reason with people on these topics without showing disdain.

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    9. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
      Replying to @usnehal @AlanLevinovitz and

      Just like “natural” arsenic can kill you, so can a medical error or side effect. There is genuine harm in the allopathic system, that if not acknowledged, will drive people away. It can feel good to say “You are wrong and dumb too.” But does not change minds or outcomes.

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    10. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 17 May 2018
      Replying to @usnehal @EdzardErnst and

      I agree that disdain is bad, and I hope I've never called anyone dumb. Thanks for the conversation.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @usnehal and

      I'd take her more seriously if she'd stop using the word "allopathic" so much. Hint: It's a disparaging word coined by Samuel Hahnemann, the creator of homeopathy, to describe medicine that is not homeopathy. Only the woo-friendly use it to describe conventional medicine.

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        2. Timothy Caulfield‏Verified account @CaulfieldTim 17 May 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @AlanLevinovitz and

          "Allopathic". #Ugh. Such a grating term. Designed to support a host of false dichotomies.

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        3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
          Replying to @CaulfieldTim @AlanLevinovitz and

          In fairness, most people who use the word don't know its origin. The false dichotomies behind the word remain, however.

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        2. Umbereen S. Nehal, MD, MPH‏ @usnehal 17 May 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @AlanLevinovitz and

          Very lawyerly. Pick the better term if you don’t like allopathic. Educate me. It is common to discredit the individual based on some detail and then disregard anything of value. People are misusing CAM or being sloppy in definitions. Be consistent in what the rules are.

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        3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 May 2018
          Replying to @usnehal @AlanLevinovitz and

          This is Twitter. I have an extensive body of writings going back to 2004 explaining, sometimes in excruciating detail, why I consider CAM to be a bogus term. They can't be encompassed in even a Tweetstorm. I'd start posting representative links, but I doubt you'd be interested.

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