I do think we can set aside anecdotes either way and rely on the fact that the burden of proof is on those making a claim for the existence of a phenomena, not on those saying it's non-existent. The social contagion position has little to no empirical support.
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Jesse tends to read that as a claim that social influence doesn't play a role in the socially constructed concept of gender identity, which is something few would claim. Social contagion though has a very particular meaning, and that's what is empirically unsupported here.pic.twitter.com/fSGjdNj03N
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that's the problem with people who don't really understand what theories and concepts are. This reminds me of those who say that if we reject evo psych we consider evolution stopped at the neck lol
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Speaking from my impression, I think he's operating more narrowly. He thinks the broader phenomenon is real, regardless of whether ROGD itself stands. So I think the correct place to stand is "beyond anecdotes, what's the scientific empirical evidence for social contagion here?"
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Essentially, completely sidestep ROGD and go at the broader concept itself. I do think Jesse can understand the distinction between social influence and the much more specific social contagion. It's that latter concept itself that he should defend rather than the more narrow one
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@jessesingal seems to think is his key point is quite bland. You could argue that for any social phenomena. Humans are just social beings, we learn language and behaviour from group interactions. We under estimate how much our actions are influenced by peers1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes -
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You don't need a stupid model to account for social processes surrounding lgbt life trajectories
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these kinds of models which explain nothing just obscure actual phenomena at stakes imo
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What really really irks me is the underlying implication that there should be measures, and where such measures already exist they are now fair and justified and supported by research, to prevent young people from building their own friendship circles in a way that they see fit.
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Shrier is all for that: most of her writing is a justification for parents to call the way they restrictively manage their children's social lives justified by health science research.
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Indeed. She basically says as much, arguing that if a child expresses gender dysphoria or "comes out" as trans, the parents should do everything they can to push that child back into its "correct" gender based on its "biological sex."
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