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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

      David Gorski, MD, PhD Retweeted Tim Noakes

      Some very basic points: 1. You should know that the Nuremberg Code ONLY applies to human subjects research. You should ALSO know that, after phase 3 trials with 10s of thousands of subjects and hundreds of millions of doses, #CovidVaccine is NOT human subjects research anymore.https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes/status/1417174774200033280 …

      David Gorski, MD, PhD added,

      Tim Noakes @ProfTimNoakes
      Replying to @gorskon
      Hi David. If you read Tweet calmly and without hostility, you'll see that it does not ever advise avoiding vaccination. It's about informed consent and avoiding coercion. Coercion to accept any medical therapy as you should know conflicts with Nuremberg Code and Hippocratic oath.
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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

      2. Calling #CovidVaccine "experimental" is a conflation of a legal definition of "investigational," in which @US_FDA requires that designation on any drug not yet given a full FDA approval. Scientifically, it's just not true any more.

      11:17 AM - 19 Jul 2021
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        2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

          3. The Nuremberg Code is nearly 75 yrs old and mainly of historical interest. It was long ago supplanted by the Belmont Report and Declaration of Helsinki. Both ALSO emphasize informed consent, but antivaxxers love the Nuremberg Code because of its association with Nazi doctors.

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        3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

          4. That's why they point to the Nuremberg Code, rather than the more recent statements of human subjects research ethics, like the Belmont Report or the Declaration of Helsinki. It's a not-so-subtle Godwin.

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        4. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

          5. Antivaxxers are not appealing to "informed consent." They are appealing to what I like to call "misinformed refusal," in which they are asked to decide based on grossly exaggerated claims for the risk of harm from vaccines and hugely minimized estimates of the benefits.

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        5. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

          6. The gambit you used IS one of the oldest, stupidest antivax gambits there is, and I WAS dealing with it two decades ago. It's on par with the antievolution argument, "If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?"

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        6. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

          7. Basically, the "unvaccinated pose no threat to the vaccinated" gambit ignores the basic fact that no vaccine is 100% effective, as well as the importance of herd immunity, particular to those who can't be vaccinated. (As an aside, measles immunity is not always lifelong.)

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        7. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 19

          8. Stop spreading antivaccine disinformation, which is what you are doing. This is not my first rodeo. There's no gambit or argument that you can pull out of your nether regions that I haven't seen and answered more times than I can count over the last couple of decades. /end

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        8. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jul 20

          One more...I wrote a detailed list explaining the Nuremberg Code gambit.https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/07/20/the-nuremberg-code-gambit/ …

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          That waiver of legal liability is the hill you want to die on here?

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