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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Hooman Noorchashm MD, PhD‏ @noorchashm Feb 20
      Replying to @doritmi

      “Evidence of benefit” is that the vaccine works and must be deployed in as many as possible, as quickly as possible. It’s prognostication of harm that needs to B tightly mitigated, as we aim to vaccinate ALL. Your blindness to this rational ethical stance is stunning. Cog diss!

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    2. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Feb 20
      Replying to @noorchashm

      Nobody is arguing against reducing harm, so this tweet mischaracterized the criticism. The point is that the way you’re going about it can well cause harm. That’s apart from whether your hypothesis has validity.

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    3. Hooman Noorchashm MD, PhD‏ @noorchashm Feb 20
      Replying to @doritmi

      50% of America is going to get vaccinated. 20-30% of America will not come hell or high water. 20-30% of America is "hesitant", because of safety concerns - their trust can be earned....But not by calling them stupid and blowing off their concerns. Tune in or tune out!

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    4. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Feb 20
      Replying to @noorchashm

      When you dig up unrelated deaths and blame them on #vaccines you work to create hesitancy. You are telling people the vaccines kill - with no basis. You actively try to scare people off vaccinating against #COVID19 and you create concerns. You’re hurting, not helping.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Hooman Noorchashm MD, PhD‏ @noorchashm Feb 20
      Replying to @doritmi

      Yes. Indiscriminate Vaccination of the infected, esp the elderly and frail with CV disease, is very highly likely to kill. Cog Diss and absent ethical reasoning kills unjustly. Careless or immoral utilitarianism kills too. History demonstrates this well.

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    6. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Feb 20
      Replying to @noorchashm

      And yet, to show deaths you have to go dig up unrelated ones. There’s no evidence of widespread deaths in the scenario you think there will be. Don’t speak for morals when you misuse deaths to scare others off vaccinating.

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    7. Hooman Noorchashm MD, PhD‏ @noorchashm Feb 20
      Replying to @doritmi

      Your "assumption" that it they are "unrelated" in order to advocate for your political position is FAR more dangerous in the patient harm space than my "hypothesis" that indiscriminate vaccination of the infected will harm the elderly and frail with CV disease in this class.

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    8. Hooman Noorchashm MD, PhD‏ @noorchashm Feb 20
      Replying to @noorchashm @doritmi

      Because you position will not allow mitigation of harm, while mine will increase vigilance on the part of both practitioners and citizens. Your people's blindness to the safety position and concerns is the source of vaccine hesitancy in America - and in this pandemic.

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    9. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Feb 20
      Replying to @noorchashm

      There is a lot of attention to vaccines safety, and there were already changes in recommendations in response to safety signals about allergies. The issue isn’t whether recommendations should change when there’s a safety issue, to protect a minority: they should. 1/2

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    10. Hooman Noorchashm MD, PhD‏ @noorchashm Feb 20
      Replying to @doritmi

      There is almost NO attention being paid to the most unusual aspect of this vaccine roll-out: That we we are doing it in the midst of an outbreak. So MANY are concurrently or recently infected. This poses an immunological risk upon indiscriminate vaccination. period!

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Feb 20
      Replying to @noorchashm @doritmi

      Except that there's no safety signal after 50 million doses in the US, and, no, it's not because @CDCgov and @US_FDA aren't looking for it, no matter how much you claim otherwise. Worse @RobertKennedyJr is still using you.https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/02/17/misuse-of-the-vaers-database-by-antivaxxers-continues-cardiac-edition/ …

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        1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Feb 20
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          Seriously, Dr. N, how is it that you keep using scare language like “indiscriminately vaccinated” while implying that’s dangerous with respect to #COVIDVaccine? That’s EXACTLY the same language antivaxxers use to spread fear about vaccines? https://twitter.com/noorchashm/status/1363154646999699459 …

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