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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz Feb 11

      "Anti-vaccination" has now fully replaced "creationism" as the go-to example of a position that is contrary to scientific consensus. I understand how it happened, but it's not a good shift, since the two positions, while inaccurate, emerge from very different cognitive errors.

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    2. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz Feb 11

      The spectrum of positions potentially described by anti-vaccination is also very different from the spectrum that can be described as creationist. It would take more than a Twitter thread to explain why we need to be clear about all this, but IMO it really is a big problem.

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    3. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein Feb 11
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz

      What difference does it make if the anti-vaxx and creationism arise from different errors? They're equally far outside the scientific consensus. Anti-vaxx tries to portray itself as reasonable concern just as creationists try to portray themselves as scientifically respectable.

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    4. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Feb 11
      Replying to @beyerstein @AlanLevinovitz

      Exactly, and I would counter with an argument that the errors are not really as different as Alan is portraying them.

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    5. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz Feb 11
      Replying to @gorskon @beyerstein

      Well, like I said, too much for a Twitter thread! And as you both know I'm a fan of highlighting similarities between different forms of faulty thinking. It's just...the errors really are quite different. For one, visceral fear of physical harm isn't part of creationism.

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    6. Douglas Michael Massing  🌈 We voted for our lives‏ @T2DRemission Feb 11
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @gorskon @beyerstein

      I recall the kind of rhetoric and humor that surrounded the Scopes trial. If committed to the identity of privileged ontological status between the animal/physical and the spiritual/angelic—as I was literally taught—is not descent from apes both spiritual and physical "harm"?

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    7. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Feb 11
      Replying to @T2DRemission @AlanLevinovitz @beyerstein

      Excellent point. Similarly, there is a belief that the human body is "pure," be it created by God, as creationists believe, (which means it can't have descended from apes) or be it facing the threat of "contamination" by vaccines.

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    8. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz Feb 11
      Replying to @gorskon @T2DRemission @beyerstein

      Sure—these are parallels I've talked about myself. But there's a large number of people who are just scared of being injured by vaccines because they've heard stories about people getting hurt, full stop. Error of risk assessment, not purity/impurity.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Feb 11
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @T2DRemission @beyerstein

      That sounds more like what we call the “vaccine-averse,” not antivaxxers. Being antivax goes beyond merely being afraid of vaccines.

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