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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @gorskon @doritmi and

      It's always strange that if you quote a +ve vaccine NSE everybody except the antivaxxers agrees, but quote a -ve one and suddenly you're a cherry picker. I quoted only one good study & said "they MAY have a point". Flu vac NSEs in the presence of Covid are as yet undetermined!

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    2. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @gorskon and

      It’s not strange. It’s a question of data. Independent data shows preventing measles, for example, has positive general effects. On DTP, the evidence is from one group - and mostly based on a small, 30 year old dataset in a fast changing region.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @gorskon and

      I can't help you with your comprehension. I quoted one good study and said "They MAY have a point..." I say again that NSEs for flu vaccine in the presence of Covid remain undetermined. I have no problem with data - I have a problem with Gradgrinds on the subject of NSEs.

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    4. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @gorskon and

      You said an antivaccine organization trying to cast fear and doubt about flu vaccines has a point by citing an off topic study that is misrepresented. When corrected, you could have said “I didn’t realize that, this certainly doesn’t support what they’re trying to say.”

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @docdave53 and

      Instead, you’re trying to double down on casting fear and doubt on flu #vaccines - against the available evidence. https://www.google.com/amp/s/vaxopedia.org/2020/10/18/association-between-covid-19-deaths-and-flu-vaccination-rates/amp/ … That is in line with what antivaccine groups do. If that’s not you, don’t do it.

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    6. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @gorskon and

      1. You might want to have a look at my profile. I’m a pro-vaxxer for heaven’s sake. Nothing in medicine is 100%, and to see well done study showing 36% increase in CoVs from flu vac raises questions in respect to CoV19. BCG could be better idea & trials are pending. /2

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    7. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @doritmi and

      "Provaxxers" in general don't Tweet antivaccine talking points credulously and then double down on the misinformation when shown why those talking points are BS. So you'll excuse me if I remain...skeptical...that you're really a "pro-vaxxer."

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    8. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @gorskon @docdave53 and

      You might tell yourself that you're a "provaxxer" in the same way that @RobertKennedyJr proclaims himself "fiercely pro-vaccine," but your statements and behavior thus far since I first encountered you suggest otherwise.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @gorskon @docdave53 and

      If you really are "provaccine," the best thing for you to do now would be to simply admit your error, acknowledge that you cited an antivaccine source, apologize for screwing up, and move on. Doubling down after correction suggests you might not be as provax as you keep claiming.

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    10. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @gorskon @doritmi and

      What was my antivaccine source?

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @doritmi and

      OK, I'll do what I said you should do. I'll admit missing part of the thread. You didn't *directly* cite CHD, but you did RESPOND to CHD citing the study CHD misrepresented as though CHD's take on it were anything other than deceptive antivaccine nonsense. That's almost as bad.

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        2. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
          Replying to @gorskon @doritmi and

          David, I have kidney cancer and am looking to BCG vaccine for possible NSEs to help my immunity. I’m pro vax & feel quite insulted when people question my independent thought of which I pride myself. I’m suffering and looking to a vac for help. It’s you who should apologise!

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        3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
          Replying to @docdave53 @doritmi and

          You credulously spread an antivaccine myth from an antivaccine source about #COVID19 and then doubled down when corrected. You have no one to blame but yourself.

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