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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 16
      Replying to @doritmi @docdave53 and

      Beware the trap of accepting one group’s views as gospel. This is the kind of thing that needs independent replication. And Aaby’s group work isn’t even about COVID-19 or influenza.

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    2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @docdave53 and

      He’s cherry picking, for sure.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @gorskon @doritmi and

      It's always strange that if you quote a +ve vaccine NSE everybody except the antivaxxers agrees, but quote a -ve one and suddenly you're a cherry picker. I quoted only one good study & said "they MAY have a point". Flu vac NSEs in the presence of Covid are as yet undetermined!

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    4. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @gorskon and

      It’s not strange. It’s a question of data. Independent data shows preventing measles, for example, has positive general effects. On DTP, the evidence is from one group - and mostly based on a small, 30 year old dataset in a fast changing region.

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    5. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @gorskon and

      I can't help you with your comprehension. I quoted one good study and said "They MAY have a point..." I say again that NSEs for flu vaccine in the presence of Covid remain undetermined. I have no problem with data - I have a problem with Gradgrinds on the subject of NSEs.

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    6. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @gorskon and

      You said an antivaccine organization trying to cast fear and doubt about flu vaccines has a point by citing an off topic study that is misrepresented. When corrected, you could have said “I didn’t realize that, this certainly doesn’t support what they’re trying to say.”

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @docdave53 and

      Instead, you’re trying to double down on casting fear and doubt on flu #vaccines - against the available evidence. https://www.google.com/amp/s/vaxopedia.org/2020/10/18/association-between-covid-19-deaths-and-flu-vaccination-rates/amp/ … That is in line with what antivaccine groups do. If that’s not you, don’t do it.

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    8. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @doritmi @gorskon and

      1. You might want to have a look at my profile. I’m a pro-vaxxer for heaven’s sake. Nothing in medicine is 100%, and to see well done study showing 36% increase in CoVs from flu vac raises questions in respect to CoV19. BCG could be better idea & trials are pending. /2

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    9. David McLelland‏ @docdave53 Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @doritmi and

      2. I wasn’t supporting an antivax organisation & it’s at the very least disingenuous of you to so accuse me.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @docdave53 @doritmi and

      You cited and therefore amplified the message of @ChildrensHD, which is @RobertKennedyJr's antivaccine organization. That is indisputable.🙄

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
      Replying to @gorskon @docdave53 and

      Seriously, if you really are provax, then the wisest (and least damaging thing to your reputation) to do is to acknowledge that you cited an antivaccine source, apologize, and move on. Your doubling down leads to the impression that you are perhaps not as provax as you claim.

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        1. (((Dorit Reiss)))‏Verified account @doritmi Jan 17
          Replying to @gorskon @docdave53 and

          You can be unfamiliar with the organization or lack the background to catch their misrepresentation initially, and that’s okay. We all learn more all the time.

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        1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 17
          Replying to @gorskon @docdave53 and

          Or, to clarify in this case, that you responded to an antivaccine source citing the study that that antivaccine source misrepresented as though the antivaccine source's take on that study were not deceptive, distorted, and incorrect.

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