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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Evan Allen 🌱‏ @EAllen0417 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @ShannonBrownlee @JHowardBrainMD and

      I am not insinuating anything. I am saying that they both get major funding from the same source, in information that is publicly available and easy to find. This should be mentioned when you're using one of them to check-digit the other. They are affiliated.

      2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    2. Jonathan Howard‏ @JHowardBrainMD 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @EAllen0417 @ShannonBrownlee and

      Does John ionadis get funding from them too?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Evan Allen 🌱‏ @EAllen0417 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @JHowardBrainMD @ShannonBrownlee and

      Yes. I would say $6M initial grant split two ways is a reasonably large COI.https://www.wired.com/2017/01/john-arnold-waging-war-on-bad-science/ …

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. Shannon Brownlee‏ @ShannonBrownlee 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @EAllen0417 @JHowardBrainMD and

      And this is a conflict of interest vis a vis the debate about covid science in what way? I'm not getting it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Evan Allen 🌱‏ @EAllen0417 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @ShannonBrownlee @JHowardBrainMD and

      You are suggesting that both of them being funded by the same company is irrelevant? Well that seems like something your readers ought to be able to decide for themselves.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Shannon Brownlee‏ @ShannonBrownlee 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @EAllen0417 @JHowardBrainMD and

      AV is a foundation. Are you saying we should also mention that Prasad and Ioannidis have also received funding from RWJF and every other source of foundation money supporting their work? That's why I am confused.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Evan Allen 🌱‏ @EAllen0417 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @ShannonBrownlee @JHowardBrainMD and

      If they both take money from an organization that has funded the broad trashing of epidemiology and both have publicly trashed the science of epidemiology and then they're talking about how they think epidemiology got something wrong ... yeah.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    8. Shannon Brownlee‏ @ShannonBrownlee 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @EAllen0417 @JHowardBrainMD and

      Thanks, now I see what you were getting at. I'm glad you brought it up, but I am not sure it's relevant to this particular issue. John Ioannidis does epidemiological studies and critiques epi methodology, which I think is different from "trashing" the discipline.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Evan Allen 🌱‏ @EAllen0417 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @ShannonBrownlee @JHowardBrainMD and

      Saying that most everything a discipline publishes is worthless strikes me as "trashing" but YMMV. Prasad does the *same thing* and so does Taubes and guess what, Taubes also gets $$ from the Arnold's company, too. Seems like AV gets what it pays for.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    10. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 30 Nov 2020
      Replying to @EAllen0417 @ShannonBrownlee and

      It's notable that Ioannidis's own work on COVID-19 does not remotely approach the standards of rigor that he would apply to the work of others.

      4 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon Jan 2
      Replying to @Merz @EAllen0417 and

      That's the most ironic thing of all! Ioannidis made his name showing how much biomedical science isn't as rigorous as we like to think it is, and then he didn't even bother to try to hold himself to the standards that he had been showing others to have failed to live up to.

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      • fipco Alex Merz the sailing science shill ⛵️ Alexander 🇬🇧 Evan Allen🌱 Epon Cherrilaf (Insert Reference Trolls Don't Get) Lindsay Beyerstein Jonathan Howard
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        2. Jonathan Howard‏ @JHowardBrainMD Jan 2
          Replying to @gorskon @Merz and

          @JeanneLenzer1 here are his own words. Twice low-balling covid deaths. Again, had he said "I was wrong," he would earn my respect as a scientist. Instead, he's engaged in revisionist history with the help of others, for reasons unknown.pic.twitter.com/QjgGVFP9H7

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        3. Evan Allen 🌱‏ @EAllen0417 Jan 2
          Replying to @JHowardBrainMD @gorskon and

          Also notice that both authors are scrupulously avoiding discussion of Arnold Ventures. Scientific American also avoided this. Nobody wants to talk about the joint Arnold Ventures funding. This despite the fact it's clearly an obvious financial conflict of interest.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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