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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

Michigan, USA
sciencebasedmedicine.org
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    1. Brett Chrest‏ @Chrest_brett 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @palmd @drjkahn

      Brett Chrest Retweeted Brett Chrest

      It could be worse...and it is. He keeps defending his actions with mechanistic cell culture studies — not good at all.https://twitter.com/Chrest_brett/status/1238211524931403777 …

      Brett Chrest added,

      Brett Chrest @Chrest_brett
      ‼️Holy sh*t — COVID-19 Misinformation Update: ⚠️Cardiologist, Dr. Joel Kahn, promotes fraudulent Silver supplement for RSV & viruses amid the COVID-19 pandemic.⚠️ pic.twitter.com/oj297x8bFe
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      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Joel Kahn MD, FACC‏ @drjkahn 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @Chrest_brett @palmd

      Interesting the FDA and CDC awarded makers of Argentyn special status to ramp up production of their purified silver nanoparticle products. Stay open even if a lockdown. Happened this week. But you wouldn’t know that.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    3. PalMD‏ @palmd 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @drjkahn @Chrest_brett

      1) link please, 2) that’s a nonsequitor.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. PalMD‏ @palmd 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @palmd @drjkahn @Chrest_brett

      I’ve googled the fuck out of that Joel and I don’t see anything from fda or cdc about making colloidal silver.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Brett Chrest‏ @Chrest_brett 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @palmd @drjkahn

      In fact, it seems to be quite the opposite https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-update-fda-and-ftc-warn-seven-companies-selling-fraudulent-products-claim-treat-or …

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Joel Kahn MD, FACC‏ @drjkahn 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @Chrest_brett @palmd

      Not makers of Argentyn, a company driven by science with a unique bio-active hydrosol base. Not all cars are the same. Not all silver is either

      4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Brett Chrest‏ @Chrest_brett 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @drjkahn @palmd

      Brett Chrest Retweeted Brett Chrest

      There has indeed been harm from Argentyn. One such study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6745401/ … The fact that it might be slightly different has well, made no difference. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702207/ …https://twitter.com/Chrest_brett/status/1238271984280059905 …

      Brett Chrest added,

      Brett Chrest @Chrest_brett
      Replying to @drjkahn @YoniFreedhoff and 3 others
      Maybe you don't read research in humans? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6543947/ … https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6745401/ … https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18478796  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702207/ … https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19632917  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15981703  https://twitter.com/Chrest_brett/status/1238270574066974723 …
      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Joel Kahn MD, FACC‏ @drjkahn 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @Chrest_brett @palmd

      Probably not a good idea to use an oral agent in an IV. Agree? The dose and route are on the packaging.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Joel Kahn MD, FACC‏ @drjkahn 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @drjkahn @Chrest_brett @palmd

      If you want to learn about the proper uses of bio-active silver hydrosol, this is an informative discussion.https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/natural-medicine-journal-podcast/id1112377770?i=1000463380292 …

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Brett Chrest‏ @Chrest_brett 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @drjkahn @palmd

      You've got to be kidding me, this is the equivalent to company promotion propaganda — have no idea if I can trust what is being said. As for their references — Zero evidence for efficacy in humans.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 21 Mar 2020
      Replying to @Chrest_brett @drjkahn @palmd

      Colloidal silver is quackery that can turn you into a Smurf if you use it too much.https://respectfulinsolence.com/2007/12/21/colloidal-silver-the-real-blue-man-group/ …

      4:37 PM - 21 Mar 2020
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        2. Joel Kahn MD, FACC‏ @drjkahn 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @gorskon @Chrest_brett @palmd

          Man. You are so out of date. No knowledge of the progress in the field. Too bad. 31 minutes from now you can know more.https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/natural-medicine-journal-podcast/id1112377770?i=1000463380292 …

          2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
        3. Brett Chrest‏ @Chrest_brett 21 Mar 2020
          Replying to @drjkahn @gorskon @palmd

          Brett Chrest Retweeted Brett Chrest

          Or we'd waste 31 minutes listening to something we don't know if we can trust. The evidence this podcast is based on is not human evidence, yet you promote the product for human consumption. Stick to the published evidence, stick to the science (in humans)https://twitter.com/Chrest_brett/status/1241510314958401537 …

          Brett Chrest added,

          Brett Chrest @Chrest_brett
          Replying to @Chrest_brett @drjkahn @palmd
          Joel, I'm simply done arguing about this. Am I in medical school? No. But I'm pretty sure you're taught about needing sufficient evidence in humans before promoting/using a drug. I've said this before, you are a physician, you would have been taught this, you should know better.
          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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