I am big supporter Jen - I am not dunking on you deliberately, maybe this is meant for someone else - or maybe I over-stepped bounds by tagging you in on topic you know about and there are media people following the thread. Apologies - no more tags to bother you.
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Replying to @iXeno @GinaMcGalliard and
I am just replying to everyone on the thread. This isn’t directed at you.
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Replying to @DrJenGunter @iXeno and
David Gorski, MD, PhD Retweeted David Gorski, MD, PhD
Tellingly, this whole kerfuffle erupted after the 10' dunking oncologist in question posted a dismissive Tweet about dunking on alt med on Twitter. Someone responded with a link by me. And then…https://twitter.com/gorskon/status/1189729901903056896?s=21 …
David Gorski, MD, PhD added,
David Gorski, MD, PhDVerified account @gorskonReplying to @gorskon @BrowOfJustice and 2 othersFor the record, this is the Tweet that I responded to that set me off. Go one Tweet above it, and what do you see? A Tweet that links to a post by me discussing the pseudoscience of Goop. https://twitter.com/vprasadmdmph/status/1188943269410922497?s=21 …1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes -
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@VPrasadMDMPH's point, though I don't approve of his subsequent behavior. A lot of people are hurt by medicine's "accepted" practices. People given chemo, made bankrupt by treatments that we as doctors endorsed. Vioxx and Avandia killed 200,000 people.6 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
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You're conflating things here. Patients go bankrupt from expensive cancer treatment, whether it's based on strong or weak evidence, because they don't have adequate heal;th insurance, which is a societal problem in the only industrialized country w/o universal health insurance.
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As for our 10’ dunking oncologist's original point, no skeptic denies that there are medical practices that can cause harm and aren't supported by sufficiently strong evidence, at least none I've ever encountered in my nearly two decades of doing this.
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It's also not as though skeptics haven't been discussing the relative values of working on conventional medical practices with insufficit evidence versus alternative medicine quackery. There's a serious, thoughtful discussion to be had there, one that's been going on a long time.
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Moreover, skeptics generally welcome newcomers from different backgrounds who want to join the discussion, even if it's on the side that we should spend more time on pharma/harmful medical practices than CAM/quackery/antivax.
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Again, there's a serious and thoughtful discussion to be had there. It's one I've taken part in many times.
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However, when someone condescendingly tells us that what we do is easy and worthless while pointedly refusing to construct a coherent argument for why they think that other than,“Taking on pharma is hard; what you do is trivially easy," well, we're human too. We won’t react well.
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Maybe they're right. Maybe what they do is harder. It's possible .However, just saying it doesn't make it so. They have to give us something resembling evidence and a coherent argument in order to get us to consider their viewpoint.
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It's even more problematic when, after being asked to do just that, to tell us what they think we're doing wrong and why and provide evidence they just keep repeating the same condescension. That's not constructive criticism. That's not helpful. That's just trolling.
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Again, deconstructing alt med involves the same sorts of knowledge and skills that pharma watchdogs use: Clinical trial design and statistics, knowledge of relevant science, knowledge of how clinical trial results are spun, etc., plus an additional skill, science communication.
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