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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @RyanMarino @gorskon and

      It was also never banned for mosquito control. It was banned from agriculture where its overuse weakened its function as a public health intervention, bred resistance, and created ecologic harm from it’s extreme persistence in ecosystems. It’s still used today for malaria ppx.

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    2. Peter Weigl‏ @weigl_ 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @RyanMarino and

      This WHO paper seems to contradict the „never been banned f anti malaria usage anywhere“ argument. And non-usage directions without an outright legal ban can be just as detrimental. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1570869/ …pic.twitter.com/ULQQfDhQ7V

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    3. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @weigl_ @RyanMarino and

      By individual countries. The lie was there was an international ban on it. There was not. The US banned it for agriculture. Individual countries regulated it - often long after species had developed resistance.

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    4. Peter Weigl‏ @weigl_ 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @RyanMarino and

      The banning and stopping all production was certainly campaigned for by the usual Malthusian minded suspects, see comment on Monbiot/ Guardian article.pic.twitter.com/VKmM5LDWwt

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    5. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @weigl_ @RyanMarino and

      In 2000! You're missing the point here. Read David's article, especially the last section on the history of DDT "bans". By the 70s and 80s resistance to DDT was already high. The lie is a DDT ban resulted in 50 mil malaria deaths. A ban 30 years after resistance is irrelevant

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    6. Peter Weigl‏ @weigl_ 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @RyanMarino and

      Please do explain why the WHO recommends the use of DDT for controlling Malaria in 2006! Something with the claimed uselessness bc of resistance cannot be correct.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1570869/ …

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    7. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @weigl_ @RyanMarino and

      Are you being purposefully obtuse? That’s for indoor residual spraying. Spraying malaria nets and insides of houses where the concentration can still reach high enough doses to kill. Even that is now losing efficacy. DDT has a resistance profile. Get over it.

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    8. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @weigl_ @gorskon

      You have now conflated bans for agricultural use (uniform good - protects public health use) with band for vector control (the lie - but now reasonable 2/2 resistance) and indoor residual spraying (never banned). You clearly still have not read David’s article.

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    9. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @weigl_ @gorskon

      If your point is DDT has been restricted, yeah, no one is arguing that. But it has been consistently restricted to prevent loss of function as a means of vector control. It has lost even that, and now is losing efficacy even at high concentrations used for targeted application.

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    10. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @weigl_ @gorskon

      You have fallen victim to misinformation. Seek out non ideologic sources for rescue. I’m done.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 15 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @weigl_

      Yeah. He's too far gone. You're not going to get through to him.

      2:42 PM - 15 Oct 2019
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        1. Peter Weigl‏ @weigl_ 15 Oct 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

          I am with your nuanced a detailed argument, just I am not that fully convinced as MH that no damage at all was done by the activism of first world environmentalist zealots. Anti GMO campaigns do that damage currently. RTS,S to the rescue - we all hope.

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        2. Skeptiguy‏ @Skeptiguy1 15 Oct 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle @weigl_

          The Venn diagram of people who assert that agricultural use of DDT should not have been banned, and antivaxers, is very close to a single circle.

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        3. Peter Weigl‏ @weigl_ 15 Oct 2019
          Replying to @Skeptiguy1 @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

          That is a cheap and unnecessary slur. I‘m pretty sure there is very little overlap, as antivaxxer are afraid of all things „chemical“.

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