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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @pandovstrochnis and

      The authors of the Hoax make a good case that the level of intellectual and scientific corruption in certain disciplines is appalling. They convinced me.

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    2. Scorching Ray of Summer Heat‏ @RayTski 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

      That still doesn't make it ethical to lie to people without debriefing them afterwards.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @RayTski @gorskon and

      Sure. Protest against regimes is always unethical, through the eyes of the rulers.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Scorching Ray of Summer Heat‏ @RayTski 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

      I thought it's a scientific study, not a protest against a political regime? 🤔

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @RayTski @gorskon and

      It was a metaphor. From the knee-jerk reactions to this hoax, you can safely conclude that the disciplines in question perceived it as protest.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Scorching Ray of Summer Heat‏ @RayTski 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

      So let's talk about the study then. I said it's unethical to lie to people over the course of a study, and in cases where it seems justified to do so, the least you could do is debrief the people you lied to afterwards.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @RayTski @gorskon and

      1. They were not lied to. It was tested, if BS Paper would pass the oder review. 2. If you lied to people, for a study, I agree with you.

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    8. Scorching Ray of Summer Heat‏ @RayTski 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

      When you hand in a paper you click on the little checkmark that says you followed scientific standards, generated the data yourself, etc. So, clicking that checkmark when you didn't do those things means you're lying.

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @RayTski @gorskon and

      Yes. The *whole point* being that the reviewers are not able to identify, if those standards are met, because of intellectual corruption and a tremendeous amount of BS published as "science" being around.

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    10. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @RayTski and

      No. Peer review does not detect fraud. That is known. Science functions on the honor system. You don’t expect to have to counter deception and peer review is well known to do poorly at it. It’s proven nothing.

      3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @DorianGray321 and

      "It is known." But seriously, Mark's correct. Peer review is pretty bad at detecting fraud, especially in a context like this. Peer review *can* sometimes detect fraud, but it's usually post-publication review that leads to investigations that turn up fraud.pic.twitter.com/bhxyRpUtDJ

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        2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 25 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

          That Boghossian thinks his study/hoax was so damning just reveals how little he knew about the subject he was claiming to study, in addition to his utter ignorance about human subjects research ethics and regulations.

          3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

          Or, he knew it too well...

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        2. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 25 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

          So, the challenge is up. Try this in a cross-disciplinary study and see which disciplines perform best in peer review and which perform worst.

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        3. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 25 Jul 2019
          Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

          No it isn’t. I told you. This is not the function of peer review, and there are enough junk journals in all fields that you can send computer generated manuscripts and get them accepted. It’s been done. This is not an interesting problem.

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