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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Dr. Katja Thieme  👀‏ @Katja_Thieme 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

      1) The project involved human subjects. That’s all that’s required to make it the purview of an institutional ethics board. I don’t know what you mean by human subjects being some sort of target of research; but it’s not really a relevant distinction re need for IRB approval.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    2. Dr. Katja Thieme  👀‏ @Katja_Thieme 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @Katja_Thieme @DorianGray321 and

      2) Researchers *regularly* carry out research that involves deception of participants & they do so *with IRB approval*. For studies with deception it is particularly important to stay above board regarding ethics approval & ethical process.

      2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
    3. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @Katja_Thieme @gorskon and

      What then, if you sense corruption in the academic power hierarchy and bureaucracy? What if your study is going to expose the fraudulence of those people who tend to populate these boards?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Dr. Katja Thieme  👀‏ @Katja_Thieme 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @DorianGray321 @gorskon and

      If you sense corruption you investigate and/or expose and/or report it to the appropriate reporting structure. But you’re not going anywhere with your evidence-free claim of corruption of your local IRB board if you have *never engaged* with it.

      3 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
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    6. Dorian Gray‏ @DorianGray321 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @schubert_albert @Katja_Thieme and

      Exactly. This was to claim evidence. It was not a Study on human subjects. That is a perverse twist to cover up the fact that Boghossian et al. exposed deeply disfunctional disciplines.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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    8. Scorching Ray of Summer Heat‏ @RayTski 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @schubert_albert @DorianGray321 and

      Ethics review boards aren't "progressive authorities". They're scientific institutions created to keep all scientists from doing unethical experiments.

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
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    10. Cathryn Townsend, PhD (she/they)‏ @CathrynTownsend 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @schubert_albert @RayTski and

      You could, of course, look into why ethics review boards exist and why they require a legalistic framework. But that would be a bit too much like hard work, eh?

      2 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 24 Jul 2019
      Replying to @CathrynTownsend @schubert_albert and

      "Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." - Simon & Garfunkel,"The Boxer." Some people don't want to be educated.

      3:26 PM - 24 Jul 2019
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        2. Scorching Ray of Summer Heat‏ @RayTski 24 Jul 2019
          Replying to @schubert_albert @gorskon and

          Ethical review boards actually would demand that you debrief HR departments after sending them false resumes. So. Yeah.

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