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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @chrisontwatter2 and

      Now, whether or not that field should exist is an opinion, and that would be fine to have. Subjecting humans to an experiment to study that opinion without consent, without oversight and with *deception* of all things was very bad judgment.

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    2. Patrick Lockwood‏ @PsychPLockwood 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @chrisontwatter2 and

      Bad judgment/risky absolutely. Not sure how to otherwise accomplish the goal.

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    3. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @PsychPLockwood @chrisontwatter2 and

      You can use deception in research but it must be vetted. It would still be questionably ethical to waste all these people’s time with bullshit you made up as a “study” because you don’t like what they study. Human subjects probably should never be used for ax-grinding.

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    4. Patrick Lockwood‏ @PsychPLockwood 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @chrisontwatter2 and

      I agree mostly. I'm still lost, how do we expose systems if said systems are biased. If they have a bias against your sham study on philosophical grounds (which your study is trying to attack) how else to prove the point? I'm not intending to be dense or disagreeable.

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    5. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @PsychPLockwood @chrisontwatter2 and

      Go through the IRB, create an ethical framework, involve the subjects post hoc in the critique so they could possibly benefit, reimburse their time, apologize even. Also don’t ridicule peer reviewers. It’s unpaid labor, and isn’t designed for fraud detection.

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    6. Patrick Lockwood‏ @PsychPLockwood 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @chrisontwatter2 and

      Ridicule is problematic, calling attention to lack of quality is different.

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    7. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @PsychPLockwood @chrisontwatter2 and

      Ah yes. But what does it say about exposing lack of quality in research while not following *basic rules of human subjects research*. I mean, I contact the IRB (at least for waivers) even for registry research. To actually contact/identify human subjects without IRB? Wow.

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    8. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @PsychPLockwood and

      Exactly. I keep trying to explain it, and people keep failing to get it: RESEARCHERS DON'T GET TO CHOOSE whether their research is IRB exempt. Only the IRB can make that determination, using the rules specified to define what research doesn't require IRB oversight.

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    9. Patrick Lockwood‏ @PsychPLockwood 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

      All fair/accurate points. I'm hearing you both. I still wonder what we could do if the IRB has become corrupt. Ideological biases are everywhere. I'm not typically an alarmist. It just seems like many facets of academia are becoming corrupt. Could be wrong, happy to be wrong.

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    10. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @PsychPLockwood @gorskon and

      It is not corrupt, it is a pain in the ass because it is so averse to corruption. We dread it, like the IRS or a colonoscopy, but it is necessary.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @PsychPLockwood and

      Yup. One can argue whether for some sorts of studies IRBs are too strict or not, but corrupt IRBs? Not university IRBs, that's for sure. (Private, for profit IRBs used by private industry can be another matter.) A university IRB is almost certainly going to be squeaky clean.

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        2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 23 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

          Of course, those private IRBs aren't corrupt in the way implied, namely ideologically biased against someone like Boghossian. Rather, they tend to go the other way and be too lax.

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        3. Patrick Lockwood‏ @PsychPLockwood 23 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

          I believe you about private IRBs.

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        1. Patrick Lockwood‏ @PsychPLockwood 23 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

          I hope yall are right, that no IRB would ever become corrupted. I really appreciate you talking with me btw.

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