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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @besttrousers @LaterAgitator @peterboghossian

      Yup. It's a few hours of online training usually, and anyone involved in human subjects research has to take it every few years. I just did mine recently. It's really no big deal, but I'm sure he'll make it seem like some horrific martyrdom to be required to take it.

      4 replies 1 retweet 60 likes
    2. Relief Belief - pronouns: smartest guy in the room‏ @ReliefBelief 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @besttrousers and

      Well it is, considering that what he did was not really research.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇‏ @besttrousers 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ReliefBelief @gorskon and

      "Research" for these purposes is defined as an activity trying to add to "generalizable human knowledge". Why do you think this was not research?

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Relief Belief - pronouns: smartest guy in the room‏ @ReliefBelief 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @besttrousers @gorskon and

      I should have been more specific I guess. If Peter "researches" a better pie recipe and posts it on his twitter, is that research? Don't be coy with your definitions. Research in an academic context means something more than this IMO.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇‏ @besttrousers 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ReliefBelief @gorskon and

      I posted the widely-agreed upon definition of research in an academic context.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Relief Belief - pronouns: smartest guy in the room‏ @ReliefBelief 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @besttrousers @gorskon and

      You don't like him, that's fine, he's sometimes unlikeable. But trying to shoehorn what he did into this hole so he can be punished is silly. It makes you look terrible, and worse, arbitrary. How many instances of +GHK w/HS not prosecuted at his ins. every week w/these defs.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇‏ @besttrousers 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ReliefBelief @gorskon and

      I don't particularly know him. But I am familiar with IRB processes, and this is definitely something that would typically fall under research.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇‏ @besttrousers 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @besttrousers @ReliefBelief and

      Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇 Retweeted Don Moynihan

      See thread here:https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1082697286696779782 …

      Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇 added,

      Don MoynihanVerified account @donmoyn
      The journal review process runs very much on trust at the publication stage (with high ex-post risk of verification). Otherwise the transaction costs of ex-ante verification would be very high. . So a research project that fabricates data & reduces trust has costs. 1/ https://twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1082445174645637121 …
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    9. Relief Belief - pronouns: smartest guy in the room‏ @ReliefBelief 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @besttrousers @gorskon and

      Genuine question: what process do you envision where Peter got approval to take the actions he did, not compromising the results along the way?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇‏ @besttrousers 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ReliefBelief @gorskon and

      The obvious solution here would be for him to apply for a waiver of informed consent. ie, permission from the IRB to deceive subjects.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 23 Jul 2019
      Replying to @besttrousers @ReliefBelief and

      Exactly. Such waivers can be granted if the research requires deception. The IRB decides if the deception represents undue potential harm to human subjects and, if it doesn't, usually requires a post-study debriefing of the deceived subjects.

      1:39 PM - 23 Jul 2019
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        2. Relief Belief - pronouns: smartest guy in the room‏ @ReliefBelief 23 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @besttrousers and

          We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't Peter, and it wasn't embarassing. For ex: Squishy Studies Y academic attends protest, claims to be part of Z group (trans, say, for solidarity) reports on human interaction results in editorial page. Not experiment. Looks same.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Matt Darling  🌐 💸 🌇‏ @besttrousers 23 Jul 2019
          Replying to @ReliefBelief @gorskon and

          "We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't Peter" We would! This is not the only time someone has run into IRB issues in history.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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