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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      I think I owe you an apology. You have "analytics" in your tagline, & I'm thinking that that term means something different to you than me. I was assuming that I was talking to someone w/ advanced methodological expertise, & therefore I assumed intellectual dishonesty. /1

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    2. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @mloxton and

      I'm starting to think you use "analytics" to refer to qualitative process assessment. If so, I apologize. In the past 15yrs, the work that Hofer & I did is settled science (no disagreement by people w/ expertise in Measurement science/theory & stats. /2

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    3. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      That's a very odd apology. You are essentially saying that you are sorry for thinking I was dishonest, because now you think I am merely ignorant. Amazing I do both qualitative and quantitative work, and by analytics, I refer to the development and presentation of metrics

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    4. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      OK, then I revoke my apology. You should be able to easily understand those papers. I apologize for my apology.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      Yah, I get it, you are just a rude person. You haven't published anything that can replace the papers you criticize, and as far I can see, also have no advice on how to get better estimates. So rude and unhelpful. Not much value there

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    6. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      Do not enter an arena unless you have trained & are adequately skilled. If I engage w/ legal scholars, they have every right to call out for making confident statements that are clearly wrong. That is not rudeness, it would be me being appropriately put in my place. /1

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @mloxton and

      Your argument boils down to: MD: My plan suggests that cold fusion works if you do X, Y, & Z Physicist: That's dumb b/c of A, B & C, which are part of established physics MD: So how would you do cold fusion? Physicist: No1 knows how yet MD: So you are rude & unhelpful

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    8. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      Not even close, My Dude. Here is the argument. Unless a topic is in your direct area of expertise AND you have current research in that area, you should defer to what pops out the top of the peer review process as being the best guess. /2

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    9. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      That is NOT how science works. Lot's of useless research gets past peer-review (it has an IR reliability <0.15). Therefore, post-peer review critiques are a basic part of science. Markey ignores establish stats methods, & not U or he or any1 has defended agnst those critiques.

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    10. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @mloxton @gorskon

      It’s also failed replication again and again when people have measured death rates due to preventible error. I’ve linked half a dozen papers showing this by now. Replication is critical to scientific validity. Subsequent measurements have landed between 2-8%, not 60.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @ProfHayward @mloxton

      Yup. That's still too high, but no good purpose is served exaggerating.

      9:56 AM - 12 Jul 2019
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        1. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 12 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @ProfHayward @mloxton

          Agreed. Exaggerating is actively harmful. If you wish to target a problem you benefit from precision in identifying and measuring it. Turning our measurement into crap makes it impossible to define, measure, and track improvement.

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        1. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle @ProfHayward

          How do you know it is too high?

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