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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @gorskon

      Been there, done that. The numbers don't die b/c most ppl prefer simple lies to dealing w/ complex, multifaceted problems. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1955272/ …https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11466119 

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    2. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @gorskon

      Oh sure. Like people jump to the upper extreme of the ranges rather than the middle. It's kneejerk thing, I suppose

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @ProfHayward

      Alright then. Which specific estimate of deaths due to medical error do you consider most accurate and why? @MarkHoofnagle and I will consider.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

      Accuracy is not a term I would use in this respect. I accept Makary & Daniel to be the most current, and to be identifying the most salient issue - that of insufficient and ineffective reporting. Mean of 251,454 with a confidence interval of 210,000-400,000

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    5. Rod Hayward‏ @ProfHayward 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      Sry, but Markey & Daniel's work is worthless misinfo. 1. Conflates adverse events w/ preventabilty 2. Does not adjust for reliability or marginal effects 3. Nonsensical causal assumptions. But just like BS partisan talking heads, it is very profitable.

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    6. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @ProfHayward @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle

      Then publish something better

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

      Seriously? That's a really silly retort. (I wouldn't have said it before, but you've now repeated it at least a couple of times.) You do not have to "publish something better" in order to level valid criticisms of existing literature and criticize estimates as invalid nonsense.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

      Yes, you do. Publish something better, or stop kvetching.

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    9. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

      I bet you don't realize that you're using the same argument acupuncturists and homeopaths throw at me when I criticize their studies as pseudoscience. They say that I can't criticize them until I publish something better. Should I listen to them too?

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    10. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

      Funny, because I use pretty much the same argument against them as I am doing now with you. Same with climate-change deniers, and same with evolution-deniers. /2

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 12 Jul 2019
      Replying to @mloxton @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

      It saddens me that you apparently don't see the difference.

      7:58 AM - 12 Jul 2019
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        2. Matthew Loxton‏ @mloxton 12 Jul 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @ProfHayward @MarkHoofnagle

          It saddens me that YOU don't. It saddens me that you want to dismiss a peer-reviewed paper on the basis of a personal opinion in an area that is not your specialty. That is the stuff of denialism. So publish something better then

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        3. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 12 Jul 2019
          Replying to @mloxton @gorskon @ProfHayward

          I know a little something about denialism, and that’s not it. That’s disagreement based on better subsequent estimates, which as part of this discussion I have twice provided. You seem to think the literature ended at Makary.

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