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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 16 Jun 2019
      Replying to @drbrignall @RobertKStarr @tarahaelle

      But I am fiercely proud of the model I have helped to develop, and I think it is the most valid model in the CAM professions, and one that fills an important need in the community.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 16 Jun 2019
      Replying to @drbrignall @RobertKStarr @tarahaelle

      To close, I'd like to shout out a few authors that helped me to develop this model. @AlanLevinovitz, @JHowardBrainMD, @AliceDreger, Michael Cohen (not the one in my friends list), @CochraneLibrary, @drdadsays, Gordon Guyatt, and @ChooseWiselyCA, among others.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. Jonathan Howard‏ @JHowardBrainMD 16 Jun 2019
      Replying to @drbrignall @RobertKStarr and

      There are plenty of quacks with an MD after their name. I’d take someone with an ND, who follows the evidence, over Dr. Oz and his ilk. Because that’s what it’s about. I’ve never seen Matthew post anything I’d disagree with and he’s a fierce advocate for vaccines.

      4 replies 2 retweets 16 likes
    4. Kay Brown‏ @Display_Geek 16 Jun 2019
      Replying to @JHowardBrainMD @AliceDreger and

      But M.D.s are NOT TRAINED to be quacks like N.D.s (e.g. required to learn and believe that homeopathy is real). Oz is the exception that proves the rule for M.D.s just as Hermes is the exception that proves the rule for N.D.s

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Robert Starr Ⓥ‏ @RobertKStarr 16 Jun 2019
      Replying to @Display_Geek @JHowardBrainMD and

      ^ This. I don't understand the argument "Some MDs are quacks, so that's why I'm going to see an ND, who was trained in pseudoscience."

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Jonathan Howard‏ @JHowardBrainMD 16 Jun 2019
      Replying to @RobertKStarr @Display_Geek and

      NDs may be trained in pseudoscience. Some end up rejecting that. Not many it seems. I only know Matthew from twitter. But based on this, he understands evidence as well as any MD I know. I imagine in real life he inspired a lot of people to adopt healthy lifestyles.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. Robert Starr Ⓥ‏ @RobertKStarr 17 Jun 2019
      Replying to @JHowardBrainMD @Display_Geek and

      I understand that you're trying to be supportive, but this reads like parody.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Jonathan Howard‏ @JHowardBrainMD 17 Jun 2019
      Replying to @RobertKStarr @Display_Geek and

      I’m not trying to be supportive. I’m trying to be honest. If you can find a pseudoscience statement Matthew has made, do that and I’ll call him out on it. If you can’t do that, then what’s your point?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Robert Starr Ⓥ‏ @RobertKStarr 17 Jun 2019
      Replying to @JHowardBrainMD @Display_Geek and

      He's defending CAM.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Tara Haelle‏Verified account @tarahaelle 17 Jun 2019
      Replying to @RobertKStarr @JHowardBrainMD and

      There are CAM treatments with evidence behind them. Those are the ones he supports.

      5 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 Jun 2019
      Replying to @tarahaelle @RobertKStarr and

      This gets into one of my favorite topics, how there should be no such thing as CAM. There are medical treatments that are scientifically proven; scientifically unproven; or scientifically disproven. "CAM" consists largely of the last 2.

      7:53 AM - 17 Jun 2019
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        2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 Jun 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @tarahaelle and

          Treatments that are scientifically demonstrated to work and be safe cease to be "alternative" or "CAM" or "integrative" and become simply "medicine." "Integrative medicine" is the "integration" of quackery with science-based medicine.

          1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
        3. Matthew Brignall, ND‏ @drbrignall 17 Jun 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @tarahaelle and

          In a perfect world, but not in this world. Even though it is in guidelines, does primary care use DASH diet per algorithm like meds for hypertension? And I think folks immediately think modalities when they hear CAM. I believe visit model is way more important to popularity

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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