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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

Michigan, USA
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    1. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      Perhaps if we begin by seeing the difference between what is our own opinion and what we know to be true.

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    2. Mary Fernando MD‏ @MaryFernando_ 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @BrowOfJustice @parabuggirl33

      That is still a dilemma @BrowofJustice - antivaxxers come to it through deep feelings about their own experiences. We need to acknowledge that. It is the difference between a study of one and science. Put another way it is anecdotal evidence verses science.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      What I have seen primarily in people against vaccines: distrust of medical people, fear of the unknown, a romantic nostalgia for days gone by, and a hefty dose of “it will never happen to us and if it does we’ll still be fine.”

      2 replies 0 retweets 20 likes
    4. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      I have seen very much the same things in medical people who refuse to believe that patients are in pain, for instance.

      2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
    5. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      But I’m not here to talk about vaccines. That gives antivaccination positions too much validity. Those experiences are not factual, and facts are not how you approach them.

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      No, I’m here because the same person who told me that my patient’s pain was not bad enough to Rx something stronger gave a different patient stronger medicine because “I’ve had that and I know how bad it can be.”

      3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    7. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      So their opinion about someone else’s statement weighed more than the lived experience of that person. But their *own* experience...yeah, *that’s* what matters.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. Mary Fernando MD‏ @MaryFernando_ 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @BrowOfJustice @parabuggirl33

      This was the dilemma that @parabuggirl33 pointed to. And it’s a serious one. We agree completely @BrowofJustice- denying someone’s pain is wrong. But when a parent (with guilt and fear) says vaccines gave my child autism, we’re forced to ‘correct’ their experience. It’s a problem

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    9. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @MaryFernando_ @parabuggirl33

      I’m not taking down my tweet because of possible anti vaccination misappropriation. Nor will I curate my tweets to fit every single conceivable nuance. It’s not possible.

      1 reply 0 retweets 16 likes
    10. Mary Fernando MD‏ @MaryFernando_ 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @TheEveNebula @BrowOfJustice @parabuggirl33

      I am not in ANY way saying your tweet supports antivaxxers @BrowofJustice - I was simply pondering the many dilemmas of modern medicine and how difficult it all is.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 23 Mar 2019
      Replying to @MaryFernando_ @BrowOfJustice @parabuggirl33

      It's more than just antivaxers. It's quackery of all kinds, e.g., "I took this homeopathic remedy and it cured me." In other words, the issue is way more complex than just patients in pain.

      6:50 AM - 23 Mar 2019
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        2. Mary Fernando MD‏ @MaryFernando_ 23 Mar 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @BrowOfJustice @parabuggirl33

          Or - in my field - I tried therapy for psych problems but they made it worse and I left (before therapy was completed) @gorskon

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. patting the butter in a lewd way‏ @TheEveNebula 23 Mar 2019
          Replying to @MaryFernando_ @gorskon @parabuggirl33

          patting the butter in a lewd way Retweeted patting the butter in a lewd way

          https://twitter.com/browofjustice/status/1109452579640102913?s=21 …

          patting the butter in a lewd way added,

          patting the butter in a lewd way @TheEveNebula
          Really surprised that this tweet was read as supporting the antivaccination movement. Vaccinations cause adults but not autism. It’s not an educated opinion on the part of the medical community, it’s a *fact.*
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        2. Julie Panneton‏ @JulieMDPanneton 23 Mar 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @MaryFernando_ and

          Yeah. It sure is. Antivaxers and quackery are even worse when done by MDs. I'm referring to a certain Toronto doctor here who was actually suspended at 1 point by @cpso_ca

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Julie Panneton‏ @JulieMDPanneton 23 Mar 2019
          Replying to @JulieMDPanneton @gorskon and

          Suspension was in connection to overprescribing narcotics, but is it any better that he has now gone the other way and is promoting unproven treatments to patients, some who are counter-indicated for people with certain conditions... It's all about $ for this guy!

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