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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 21 Mar 2019
      Replying to @waitmanb @spawneedave @DineshDSouza

      OTOH, Hitler clearly abandoned Christianity. However, the Nazi regime was very cult-like, and, although I'm not a historian, I see a lot of nature worship in Hitler's rhetoric. The "Germanic heroic world view" also had a lot of religion-like elements.

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    2. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 21 Mar 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @spawneedave @DineshDSouza

      For some elements...like Himmler. But not Hitler. He and most of the upper leadership thought Himmler was nuts. Hitler was an atheist and the cult of personality around him was different than a religion.

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    3. Michelle Severin‏ @moralitymartyr 21 Mar 2019
      Replying to @waitmanb @gorskon and

      Hitler being an athiest is open to debate but he certainly used religion to his advantage. His first first treaty was with the Catholic Church. I imagine that’s where he got some negative feelings about them.

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    4. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 21 Mar 2019
      Replying to @moralitymartyr @gorskon and

      No. Hitler viewed Christianity as a Jewish invention whose teachings about morality, kindness, etc was another way in which Jews weakened the societies in which they lived. The Concordat with the Catholic Church didn't figure. That was pure pragmatism to prevent criticism.

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    5. Michelle Severin‏ @moralitymartyr 21 Mar 2019
      Replying to @waitmanb @gorskon and

      On that point ok. That’s one perspective. I think he was the religious zealot exemplar.

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    6. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 22 Mar 2019
      Replying to @moralitymartyr @gorskon and

      Zealot, absolutely. I think you raise a more interesting point about the differences/similarities between fanaticism and religion. For example, I don't think Hitler believed in any higher power that he was answerable to or that dictated appropriate modes of behavior.

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    7. Michelle Severin‏ @moralitymartyr 22 Mar 2019
      Replying to @waitmanb @gorskon and

      Dr. Beorn, I do understand he despised established Christian ideology and the Jews of course but to say he was an atheist? It makes no sense based on his actions. It seems he thought something was on his side. Whether “providence” or “universal will” sounds like faith to me.

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    8. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 22 Mar 2019
      Replying to @moralitymartyr @gorskon and

      Hitler had full faith in Hitler. But, I would argue, he certainly was not bound by any higher power. Perhaps a vague sense of "History" in the Hegelian sense or "fate," but I think those are fundamentally different from religion. Biological determinism certainly is.

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    9. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 22 Mar 2019
      Replying to @waitmanb @moralitymartyr and

      Biological determinism is not incompatible with religion. Just ask a creationist.😏

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    10. Michelle Severin‏ @moralitymartyr 22 Mar 2019
      Replying to @gorskon @waitmanb and

      True. Creationists would take that credit. That’s their ultimate strategy it would seem. Your point muddies and deflects from the original statement made by Dr. Beorn, that I disagree with, that Hitler was an atheist.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 22 Mar 2019
      Replying to @moralitymartyr @waitmanb and

      I don't think so. I've merely been dealing with creationists and their pseudoscience since the 1990s. Biological determinism is kinda their thing and is in no way problematic for Christians. Quite the opposite, in fact, for creationists.😏

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        1. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 23 Mar 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @moralitymartyr and

          But, back to the original point, for Hitler, racial superiority was biological, not spiritual.

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        1. Michelle Severin‏ @moralitymartyr 23 Mar 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @waitmanb and

          I think I can see where you differentiate the 2, but maybe not. I would hate that part of your job. Like talking to a cat about science. Creationists are a strange lot but cafeteria type Christians are much more difficult for me.

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