Of course, let me just let @DrLindaMD know that I've been trying to get a simple answer to a simple question from Dr. Orient for days. The question? Which childhood vaccines does she consider safe and effective and why? She's been dodging the question with rants about freedom.
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It can't be that Dr. Orient doesn't consider any vaccine to be safe and effective (because she's an antivaxer), could it? Perish the thought!
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Great questions! If any antivaxxer has any real science, I am willing to listen to it. But, there is none.
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Replying to @DrLindaMD @gorskon
There is plenty of evidence of vaccine adverse effects. Isn't that real science? And does absence of evidence from safety trials that have not been done= evidence of absence--firm enough to justify suspension of need for consent? The damaged kids are real.
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Replying to @jorient @DrLindaMD
What would be these "safety trials" that haven't been done?
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Replying to @gorskon @DrLindaMD
Again, long-term randomized prospective trials with an unvaccinated control group. The recent touted Danish trial doesn't meet those criteria. CDC stonewalled FOIA requests for safety trials on hep b in newborns
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Replying to @jorient @DrLindaMD
Such a trial design would be breathtakingly unethical, because leaving a control group unvaccinated and therefore vulnerable to deadly vaccine-preventable diseases would massively violate the Nuremberg Code and the Declaration of Helsinki.
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Replying to @gorskon @DrLindaMD
So mass immunization without adequate safety testing is ok? And the informed consent in Nuremberg code does not apply to vaccines? And measles, mumps, and chickenpox are "deadly diseases"?
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Replying to @jorient @DrLindaMD
Epidemiological studies ARE adequate safety testing once the original RCTs for each new vaccine are completed, particularly when they involve millions of subjects.
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She is the executive director of some goofball anti Medicare group. What a sham organization. Don't give her air.
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I think it's informative to let her try to make her case, such as it is.
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I think it actually helps others feel more confident about vaccine science when she does.
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