Of course, let me just let @DrLindaMD know that I've been trying to get a simple answer to a simple question from Dr. Orient for days. The question? Which childhood vaccines does she consider safe and effective and why? She's been dodging the question with rants about freedom.
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It can't be that Dr. Orient doesn't consider any vaccine to be safe and effective (because she's an antivaxer), could it? Perish the thought!
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Great questions! If any antivaxxer has any real science, I am willing to listen to it. But, there is none.
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Replying to @DrLindaMD @gorskon
There is plenty of evidence of vaccine adverse effects. Isn't that real science? And does absence of evidence from safety trials that have not been done= evidence of absence--firm enough to justify suspension of need for consent? The damaged kids are real.
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Unless you compare vaccine adverse events to disease adverse events, this is a pointless question.
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REAL events compare (N who get disease now x %adverse events) vs (N who get vaccine x %adverse events). Scaremongering uses historical or 3rd world disease incidence & outcome and denies vaccine risks
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Have you considered that historical disease rates would return if people listened to your deception about vaccines? Maybe we should get rid of drunk driving laws since car deaths are way down?
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Replying to @JHowardBrainMD @jorient and
Yah, I feel that this is where the argument goes. It starts off with the thought that the risk of catching these diseases is low, and then goes on to say so let's undermine the things that got us these low rates until the risks return to 3rd world levels.
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Replying to @mloxton @JHowardBrainMD and
Rates were plummeting before vaccines. If they start to rise, people respond.
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She’s confusing morbidity and mortality. Classic.
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Yep. It's such a common antivaccine trope that I even named it the "vaccines didn't save us" gambit.https://respectfulinsolence.com/2010/03/29/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-vacci/ …
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