Advocate all you want for vaccines. But patients still have the right to choose. And the right to hear those who disagree that all vaccines are effective and safe enough to force on people. Using force discredits the case.https://twitter.com/DrLindaMD/status/1108206936590290945 …
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Replying to @jorient
Of course, let me just let
@DrLindaMD know that I've been trying to get a simple answer to a simple question from Dr. Orient for days. The question? Which childhood vaccines does she consider safe and effective and why? She's been dodging the question with rants about freedom.2 replies 5 retweets 57 likes -
It can't be that Dr. Orient doesn't consider any vaccine to be safe and effective (because she's an antivaxer), could it? Perish the thought!
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Great questions! If any antivaxxer has any real science, I am willing to listen to it. But, there is none.
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Replying to @DrLindaMD @gorskon
There is plenty of evidence of vaccine adverse effects. Isn't that real science? And does absence of evidence from safety trials that have not been done= evidence of absence--firm enough to justify suspension of need for consent? The damaged kids are real.
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Replying to @jorient @DrLindaMD
What would be these "safety trials" that haven't been done?
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Replying to @gorskon @DrLindaMD
Again, long-term randomized prospective trials with an unvaccinated control group. The recent touted Danish trial doesn't meet those criteria. CDC stonewalled FOIA requests for safety trials on hep b in newborns
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Such a trial design would be breathtakingly unethical, because leaving a control group unvaccinated and therefore vulnerable to deadly vaccine-preventable diseases would massively violate the Nuremberg Code and the Declaration of Helsinki.
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It's clear @jorient knows nothing about clinical trial ethics, or she wouldn't propose a randomized prospective trial with an unvaccinated control group. Or maybe she does know and is cynically proposing this study because she knows it will never be done.
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I'm starting to think it's the latter. She does know that such a trial would be unethical and would never be done. Because it would never be done, she never has to give up her antivaccine talking point about requiring a randomized "vaxed/unvaxed" study to convince her. Cynical.
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