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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 25 Feb 2019

    A question for science Twitter. @PGtzsche1 agreed to speak at an antivaccine conference organized by @picphysicians. His rationale, in part, was that he could change minds about MMR there. Should a science advocate EVER speak at an antivaccine conference?https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/peter-gotzsche-and-antivaxers-should-a-science-advocate-ever-speak-at-an-antivaccine-conference/ …

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      1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 25 Feb 2019

        Yes, he did drop out, but only after a Twitterstorm a week ago criticizing him, and he's still upset that he was forced to withdraw.

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      2. Josh  🦁‏ @Jtwilson1203 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @gorskon @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        I believe they could. But they must do it as the pretense for the speech. I.e. if the conference asked him to be the opposition. I don’t think it’s good to act like you’re a friend of the group then try to change minds. They need to identify as a staunch vaccine supporter.

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      3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @Jtwilson1203 @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        Then that becomes a "debate," and I consider it almost always a bad idea to do public debates with antivax cranks, particularly on their home ground.

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      2. Christine Stabell Benn‏ @StabellBenn 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @gorskon @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        I am not in doubt: vaccine researchers should welcome opportunities to speak at conferences, where many attendees have a critical attitude towards vaccines. It is at least as interesting and probably more fruitful than to preach for the choir.

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      3. Graeme Leggett‏ @GrumFromNorwich 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @StabellBenn @gorskon and

        i think you'd need to: Avoid spontaneous Q&A which give lots of opportunity to selective 'interpretation'. Work from prepared notes which you release at same time so that no "gotcha" youtube videos appear after the fact. If believe vaccines do more good than harm, say it first.

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      2. Graeme Leggett‏ @GrumFromNorwich 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @gorskon @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        It's a tricky one. A reason for going 1) can address directly those who would not normally read a pro-vax position. For not going 1) they aren't listening 2) false balance. If going need to be prepared to nth degree to avoid traps.

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      3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @GrumFromNorwich @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        I think those traps are so incredibly difficult to avoid as to be, for all practical purposes, impossible to dodge, except under very rare circumstances. It would take an incredibly talented #scicomm person AND more than of bit of luck, and even then it would most likely fail.

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      1. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 25 Feb 2019
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        If the title of your talk is: "How Mandatory Vaccination Violates Medical Ethics" ? I don't think it's a good look...pic.twitter.com/kFD5hnxoaW

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      1. Michael Head‏ @michaelghead 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @gorskon @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        An #antivax conference? No. In short, attendees are very likely to be fully down the anti-public health rabbit hole. Addressing genuine vaccine hesitancy (as opposed to mendacious antivax) can be far better done in other less-biased open-minded public forums.

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      2. Plum Remson  🙂 😄 🙂‏ @PlumRemson 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @gorskon @PGtzsche1 @picphysicians

        The organization is called "Physicians for Informed Consent", not "Physicians Against Vaccines". Your efforts seem bent on conflating those two stances. .

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      3. Robin Fussell, NREMT‏ @Robin_Fussell 25 Feb 2019
        Replying to @PlumRemson @gorskon and

        Perhaps he is, and he should conflate the two, while he is conflating, they're deflating the definition of Informed Consent, in antivax terminology it means to be informed with a bunch of false evidence with little scientific backing and what is backed, is cherry picked data.

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