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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

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      I was puzzled by this trope from defenders of people like Louis CK. I don't often venture into topics like this (when I'm back to work and my Twitter activity falls to normal you'll see), but when I do someone inevitably accuses me of "looking for things to be outraged by."1/ https://twitter.com/GenericMets/status/1080203658829152256 …

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    2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      The accusation of being an "outrage junkie" or the other common one used by defenders of people like CK of "virtue signaling" are tiresome, unoriginal, and unimaginative clichés that remind me of the "pharma shill gambit" so beloved of quacks and antivaxers when criticized. 2/

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    3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      The purpose of the "pharma shill" gambit is to discredit the critic of quackery by claiming he's secretly in the pay of big pharma. The idea is that he's only saying what he's saying for money; i.e., that he's insincere. It's a crude and obvious ad hominem fallacy. 3/

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    4. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      The parallel to the pharma shill gambit became clear after a little thought, as did the parallel to accusing people who criticize racist or misogynistic speech of "virtue signaling." The idea is to suggest the criticism being responded to was insincere. Here's how. 4/

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    5. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      Accusing someone of "virtue signaling" is an accusation of insincerity due to motivation based more on seeking approval of one's peers (presumably the "politically correct" lefties being sneered at) than on genuine disapproval and outrage. 5/

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    6. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      Similarly, accusing someone of "looking for things to be outraged by" is an accusation of insincerity based on motivation involving enjoying outrage for outrage's sake rather than one based on actual disapproval and outrage. 6/

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    7. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      All three gambits (the pharma shill gambit, the virtue signaling gambit, and the outrage junkie gambit) are ad hominems. They seek to discredit an argument not by attacking the argument itself but but discrediting the person making the argument. 7/

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    8. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      All three gambits are based on portraying the critic as insincere in his or her criticism, whatever the reason for insincerity. 8/

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    9. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      Ironically, I've seen a fair number of people who self-identify as skeptics use the virtue signaling and/or outrage junkie gambits, particularly fans of prominent skeptics credibly accused of sexual misconduct, but also fans of people like Jordan Peterson or Louis CK. 9/

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 1 Jan 2019

      I wonder if they even realize that, in using these as hominems, they're behaving just like antivaxers. They're just using different ad hominems. Probably not, which just goes to show that we all have our blind spots. 10/10

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        1. Benjamin Truitt‏ @truitttalk 1 Jan 2019
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          This is a good argument about how fallacies are used and I agree with Dr. Gorski that one must analyze the content of an argument and not distract by conducting twitter psychoanalysis.

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        1. JoeWV‏ @JOEWV 1 Jan 2019
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          Unlike anti-vaxxers though, it’s probably best to ignore CK now. He achieved what he wanted by getting the meathead crowd fired up and on his side making him marginally relevant again. He wanted a niche crowd and got it.

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        1. Embrace the Void Pod‏ @ETVPod 1 Jan 2019
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          If you want the sub term, these are called appeal to motive fallacies. Technically ad hominem circumstantial, not that it matters.

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        2. Byron Whyte, MD‏ @UrbaneDoc4Kids 1 Jan 2019
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          Wow, they are super internet-mad at you.

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        3. KellyR‏ @KellyPediNp 1 Jan 2019
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          Is that like supersonic?

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        1. kfunk937‏ @kfunk937 2 Jan 2019
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          I agree. But all ad homs are not necessarily fallacious. I've hurled a "virtue signaling" or two of my own, mainly at militant vegans/PETA, mostly just before disengaging. The term appears to've acquired reactionary, "anti-SJW" culture-war overtones, which is why I dropped it.

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