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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 22 Dec 2018

      David Gorski, MD, PhD Retweeted Hayley Stevens

      Actually, in the case of homeopathy and Benveniste, Randi was spot on. Also, peer review is unfortunately not very good at detecting systematic error that derives from scientists fooling themselves. It's even worse at detecting outright fraud. 1/https://twitter.com/Hayleystevens/status/1076431734307205120 …

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      Hayley Stevens @Hayleystevens
      Blows my mind every time Randi or one of his sycophants claims that scientists are basically rubbish without a magician at their side to detect cheating. Does it never occur to people that it seems a bit egotistical of a magician to claim magicians are the heroes of the story.
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    2. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 22 Dec 2018

      That's why I'd respond that a magician isn't necessarily needed to detect such issues, but a skeptic is. 2/

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    3. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 22 Dec 2018

      Not all scientists are skeptics and the culture of science tends to be trusting. Not all magicians are skeptics either. For example, Penn was a climate science denialist and is now into some dubious fasting woo. Randi oversells the skepticism of magicians.https://respectfulinsolence.com/2018/07/25/penn-jillette-interviews-michael-klaper/ …

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    4. c0nc0rdance‏ @c0nc0rdance 22 Dec 2018
      Replying to @gorskon

      I think magicians have insights into practical ways to fool human reason and sense perception. I'd give the example of Jasper Maskelyne, but we both know how unreliable his stories are.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 22 Dec 2018
      Replying to @c0nc0rdance

      That's certainly true. Randi demonstrated that very well, finding problems that scientists hadn't even considered. However, I did sometimes think he oversold the point a bit. After all, Randi and his hero Houdini were exceptional magicians and had a skeptical bent.

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        2. Academician Prokhor Zakharov‏ @Shake1n1bake 22 Dec 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @c0nc0rdance

          there's something to be said in having hands on experience at trickery/fraud/illusion for detecting it. I'd expect another lab tech to be able to find anything shady I do over a chemist/doctor/biologist

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        3. Academician Prokhor Zakharov‏ @Shake1n1bake 22 Dec 2018
          Replying to @Shake1n1bake @gorskon @c0nc0rdance

          Even not really that shady stuff. Like "Oh, that pH is a little higher than expected, if I read it again in 30 seconds I'll still be within procedure but it'll go down a bit from absorbing atmospheric CO2 and then I definitely won't get asked to re-sample.

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        1. c0nc0rdance‏ @c0nc0rdance 22 Dec 2018
          Replying to @gorskon

          Agreed, and there are scientists who study flaws in human reason and sense perception as well, although I doubt many are skilled in the practice of deception.

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