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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 6 Oct 2018

      The mistake is thinking this is a discovery. Even in STEM we understand the literature is heavily contaminated by bullshit. The buffoons here are the hoaxers who think we don’t understand this or this is surprising to anyone who understands academic publishing.pic.twitter.com/MZCjH0svga

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    2. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @gorskon @RealPeerReview

      We fully understand there are predatory publishers with low standards of peer review. We understand shoddy work gets done, not every PhD thesis is nobel-worthy. It’s not an excuse to dismiss entire fields - I could find you as much shitty biology in bogus pay for play journals.

      3 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    3. Muscaria‏ @conazole 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @gorskon @RealPeerReview

      Except that the journals these papers were published in are not predatory journals but first quartile journals with reasonably high impact factors... And that some reviewers gave very positive feedback of articles that are essentially devoid of any sense...

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @conazole @gorskon @RealPeerReview

      Yep, and I spent half my time in grad school refuting a paper published in Nature Medicine? So what? Impact factor is no protection from lazy peer review.

      4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    5. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @conazole @RealPeerReview

      Yep. And I blog about crappy papers in high impact journals all the time. Indeed, some high impact journals can be more prone to crappy papers because they try so hard to publish research on the bleeding edge, which more often turns out to be wrong.

      2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. Debunking Denialism‏ @debunkdenialism 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @gorskon @MarkHoofnagle and

      Wasn't many of these fake article also rejected by journals they were submitted to? Seems like the authors want to downplay this. https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/grievance-studies-hoax-not-academic-scandal.html …

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    7. Muscaria‏ @conazole 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @debunkdenialism @gorskon and

      I think 6 of the 20 submitted were rejected. 6 or 7 were published, and the other ones were being peer-reviewed when the hoax was exposed.

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    8. Debunking Denialism‏ @debunkdenialism 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @conazole @gorskon and

      For comparison, hoaxers have gotten over 120 computer-generated nonsense papers published in computer science. Would the authors of this present hoax reject computer science as hopelessly unscientific and plagued by ideology? I think not. https://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 …

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    10. Mark Hoofnagle‏ @MarkHoofnagle 6 Oct 2018

      Conference preceedings are usually peer reviewed, just more sloppily.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 6 Oct 2018
      Replying to @MarkHoofnagle @debunkdenialism and

      Correct. For instance, at the @AACR annual meeting, pretty much any submitted abstract not accepted for a talk is accepted for a prayer presentation.

      9:45 AM - 6 Oct 2018
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