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Surgeon/scientist promoting science in medicine and exposing quackery. Editor of Science-Based Medicine. My opinions do NOT represent those of my employers.

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    1. Dr David Robert Grimes‏Verified account @drg1985 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @david_colquhoun

      I can say without hesitation that the decision by NCC members to go and put out a criticism of HPV vax stuff on headed paper did serious harm in countries stricken by hpv vax panic. Compounding matters was it was a CRAP criticism I spent all December refuting...

      3 replies 2 retweets 15 likes
    2. David Colquhoun  💙‏ @david_colquhoun 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @drg1985

      Can you send a synopsis? I haven't followed HPV though just because MMR is safe and effective, doesn't mean that all vaccines are

      3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @david_colquhoun @drg1985

      @michaelghead and I wrote a summary of the initial "Nordic Cochrane" involvement:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-017-0004-x …

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    4. Dr David Robert Grimes‏Verified account @drg1985 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @Rosewind2007 @david_colquhoun @michaelghead

      ^^ this is a really good summary. I have a paper coming out soon enough on aspects of this, and @skepticalraptor have a lovely series of posts on it too (linked). Worth a read if @bengoldacre interested too.https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/hpv-vaccine-systematic-review-cochrane/ …

      2 replies 4 retweets 5 likes
    5. Dr David Robert Grimes‏Verified account @drg1985 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @drg1985 @Rosewind2007 and

      ...I don't think I've overstating things to say that the sentiments by some members of NCC (and others) have been extraordinarily short-sighted, highly questionable, and utterly counter-productive regarding public understanding.

      2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
    6. David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @drg1985 @Rosewind2007 and

      Your certainly are not overstating things. I don't know why I haven't blogged about this. I might have to do that next week, after I see a bit of the fallout.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. Dr David Robert Grimes‏Verified account @drg1985 16 Sep 2018
      Replying to @gorskon @Rosewind2007 and

      Please do. It's worth making a noise over.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 17 Sep 2018
      Replying to @drg1985 @gorskon and

      Latest from Cochrane, pretty damning: "It is about a long-term pattern of behaviour that we say is totally, and utterly, at variance with the principles and governance of the Cochrane Collaboration. This is about integrity, accountability and leadership." https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-cochranes-governing-board …

      1 reply 4 retweets 9 likes
    9. David Colquhoun  💙‏ @david_colquhoun 17 Sep 2018
      Replying to @Rosewind2007 @drg1985 and

      Yes, but you could say "they would say that"?

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Michael Head‏ @michaelghead 17 Sep 2018
      Replying to @david_colquhoun @Rosewind2007 and

      Would be very stupid of the Cochrane to say that if it wasn't true. Gotzsche has behaved very poorly indeed for some years now, particularly over the last 2-3 years with his antivax stuff. Supporting Gotzsche at this stage wouldn't exactly be an evidence-based approach.

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      David Gorski, MD, PhD‏Verified account @gorskon 17 Sep 2018
      Replying to @michaelghead @david_colquhoun and

      Over the last several years, I wanted to keep supporting Gøtzsche, but I just couldn't, especially after he started sounding like a Scientologist regarding psychiatry. That HPV article was the last straw for me. Now if @cochranecollab would just get rid of Tom Jefferson...

      10:27 AM - 17 Sep 2018
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        1. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 17 Sep 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @michaelghead and

          I've been observing Gøtzsche's behaviour for over two years now. Nothing in that statement from Cochrane surprises me. I'm glad it's all coming out.0

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        2. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 19 Sep 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @michaelghead and

          The latest from Hilda Bastian, which I found very interesting (not just because she quoted from my and @michaelghead 's article).https://blogs.plos.org/absolutely-maybe/2018/09/18/boilover-the-cochrane-hpv-vaccine-fire-isnt-really-about-the-evidence-but-its-critical-to-science/ …

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        3. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 19 Sep 2018
          Replying to @Rosewind2007 @gorskon and

          @hildabast uses this quote: "..conviction probably is an even bigger source of bias. If you think you know the Truth with a Capital T, then cheating a little on some inconvenient lower-case facts does not seem especially dishonest…" Like letterheads, and getting the right Julie?pic.twitter.com/CKpVhLoMoC

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        1. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 20 Sep 2018
          Replying to @gorskon @michaelghead and

          I assume you've seen the latest from Gøtzsche? Unusual use of prefabricated...makes me think of my old science block. https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k4008 …pic.twitter.com/97wJiqymir

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        2. Rosewind‏ @Rosewind2007 15 Feb 2019
          Replying to @gorskon @michaelghead and

          Latest in the Gøtzsche saga, he's speaking at a Physicians for Informed Consent "workshop": https://mobile.twitter.com/Rosewind2007/status/1096333926564548613 …pic.twitter.com/WCDAxHGDn2

          3 replies 4 retweets 11 likes
        3. Michael Head‏ @michaelghead 15 Feb 2019
          Replying to @Rosewind2007 @gorskon and

          Wow. He's not even pretending to be evidence-based now, is he? He says he doesn't like being described in the same tones as Wakefield. Which is a shame, as he's very much like Wakefield. Full on #antivax, the destruction of a public health career. #VaccinesWork

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