lol. I think it's more like: Her - I really enjoyed your discussion on... Skeptic dude - Well we could discuss it more privately if you like. Her - I don't see a reason to... Skeptic dude - Here's a dick pic Her - OMG leave me alone Skeptic community - just boys being boys.
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Replying to @maxkatz515 @iwrotesham and
Also, some of the worst predators were celebrity superstars in the skeptic movement. Female fans, especially those unaware of their history, could be very very flattered when these skeptic celebs paid attention to them or wanted to have a drink with them.
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Replying to @gorskon @maxkatz515 and
Leaving aside the dick pix... Are we saying it is "predatory" for a popular man, even an authentic celebrity, to engage in sexual dalliances with admiring women in his orbit? Are we really saying that the mere fact of a woman being "in the thrall" of a man obliges him to demur?
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Replying to @iwrotesham @gorskon and
This isn't the end of flirting or courtship as Jordan Peterson would have you believe. This is about admiring women looking up to a celebrity who will (commonly) abuse his power to turn a convo to a much more lascivious place than it ever should have been, and immediately.
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Replying to @maxkatz515 @gorskon and
Could we define "predator"? There's a tone here that is starting to bother me. It implies that an attractive man by definition is obliged to regard his attractiveness as giving him unfair "power" over women. Please tell me that's not what we're saying.
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Replying to @iwrotesham @gorskon and
It's his celebrity that gives him power, not any perceived attractiveness. The power isn't unfair to have, but when used to get in the pants of an admirer, or to shield the admired from ridicule, that is some rank behavior that should not be dismissed. 1/2
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Replying to @maxkatz515 @gorskon and
But answer me on this point. Is a celebrity not supposed to sleep with women (or men) who want to sleep with him? That takes us down a very dangerous and illogical road, does it not? We can agree that it may be tacky to capitalize on one's lure, but how can it be "wrong"?
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Replying to @iwrotesham @gorskon and
Tacky? Do you think what I'm describing here can be framed in terms of tacky? I'm talking about the predation of vulnerable women by famous people who are seen as not being capable of doing anything wrong and you want to frame that like it's an ugly couch. Jesus.
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Replying to @maxkatz515 @gorskon and
So a man or woman must ascertain whether a conquest is vulnerable? We are responsible for plumbing the inchoate state of mind of a person who seems to dig us and is by every outward measure interested? I don't get it.
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Replying to @iwrotesham @gorskon and
It certainly sounds like you're trying not to get it with quite a concerted effort. It's absolutely not difficult for someone to notice when someone else should not be taken advantage of.
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Yes, it does seem to be willful obtuseness.
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