as used by a nazi or an Indo-Iranian? And what of JayZ's position on the n-word? the google-dictionary-thesauri imply incels = involuntary celibacy = sexual frustration, that lonely category Alana coined is meaningful and we shouldn't let the co-opting haters "blackpill" it
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If a white person refers to themself as an "Aryan" they are indicating that they are a Nazi. If a man refers to himself as an "incel" in 2018 he is indicating that he is a misogynist extremist. This isn't fucking complicated. The word HAS BEEN tainted for YEARS.
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I'm not really sure I agree that there are no non-nazi contexts for aryan but even if I accept that premise, there isn't the same level of google-dictionary confusion on that word
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Again, this is you trusting very cursory googling over SEVERAL WOMEN with years of knowledge on this who are telling you the same thing. If you want to start a support group for lonely people, that's actually a nice idea, just pick a different name and stop bothering me!
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I am really not trusting the reference materials over you (and the others flaming me today) - I understand now the misogynist culture you are all yelling about - but the word you are using to describe a group that coopted another meaningful word is apt for this confusion
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I am offering this as politely as I can -not sure how it’s coming across, as it’s the internet & tone is harder to convey- but, when I was unable to find a date for 7 years, I would have been *offended* by being labeled an “incel”. Men I know who meet the criteria of being unable
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to find sexual partners also *reject* the word, & would be *devastated* if I called them an incel. I trace this back, specifically, to incel communities “canonizing” Elliot Rodgers for committing multiple murders in vengeance against society for the refusal of “beautiful, blonde”
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women to proposition him for sex on the basis of him being existent & in their field of vision. There is a group who identifies w/ the label, & they’ve made it toxic. Why *force* that label on other people who *do not want* it?
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I am not forcing it on anyone - I saw some tweets with a word I didn't know - I looked it up - the definition appears incorrect or outdated - but is it because: incel not equal involuntary celibacy? or involuntary celibacy not equal sexual frustration? all were once synonyms?
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“Sexually frustrated” preceded “incel”, I believe- IIRC, it was being used in the 1990s to describe anyone who was having less sexual contact than they wanted (I think the connotation included people in relationships w/ mismatched sex drives, too, though). “Involuntarily
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celibacy” seems to be a condition, &, in my experience, I’ve heard men use it in terms of “Well, technically I’m involuntarily celibate, but I’d never call myself an incel.” A major part of the reason seems to be the connotation both of those terms have RE: Elliot Rodgers, but
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another facet a (male) friend just pointed out to me is that he would *like* to find a sexual partner he’s attracted to, & feels self-identifying as being *unable to do so* might be really unhealthy/ counterproductive for him personally.
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many people don't feel comfortable associating with their involuntary conditions but the label could still apply - so many deep levels of shame involved in our collective views of sexuality - so hard to unpack that from these labels - anyway thanks for sharing your experience
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