JY - 20 minutes ? You left your home at 11 for a 4:30 appt.? JY - not at home, would have to take Skytrain, lots of buses, doesn't like/want to be late, it's not fair to the service provider
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JC continues ? Not like buying a hotdog, respondents would have to work on your genitals for a long time, can't refuse? Member says to JY, what were you asking MD to wax? JY - wanted a brazillian Member says what parts, scrotum, vulva? JY - the second, vulva
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JC continues: ? Your evidence is that you have a clitoris, labia, a vagina? JY - won't say ? Don't play games, do you know what a vulva is? JY - external skin around a vagina ? No, it is the external female genitals JY - not saying if has fully formed (vulva)
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? Does JY have any medical information, an independent exam? Member stops exam line of questioning JY - genitals are deformed, embarrassed to tell publically, asks JC, how do we know that you have a fully formed penis & scrotum JC say he would be upfront
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Member tells JY, no more using people in the room as examples. With that, time to break for me. JY's testimony will continue but be broken up so MD can testify and get to work. JY comments, "always interested in fairness" but wants it noted that has had to miss work too!
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JC continues his cross examination of JY: ? False contention of female genitals? JY - are you calling me a liar ? Female genitals, true or false? JY - not false but refuses to elaborate, why is JC so interested in my genitals Member tells JY not to ask JC questions
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JY - I'm intersex, have two sets, one thing works, other doesn't, won't say which JC says he will come back to this. JC now refers way back to Ext#1, JY's FB Marketplace convo with BH, respondent from
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? Described self as awesome trans girl, no SRS (surgery), having males parts, didn't say have female parts? JY - if would have said intersex, no one would know what it meant, would have denied service anyway
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JY continues: Morgane Oger has claimed to be intersex & is not. If MO was denied service, would be significant complaint, MO is powerful. Religion vs the LGBT is dangerous, could be denied pizza service if permitted, respondents shouldn't be given leeway to refuse (to wax JY).
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Member points out time constraints, that JY is now making (legal) arguments (should be giving testimony - facts) ? Goes to credibility, said trans, no surgery, scheduled for SRS? JY - yes ? Which surgery (procedure)? JY - irrelevant, doesn't even know what Dr. will do (yet)
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? Goes to credibility, string of fabrications (from JY)? JY - surgery not scheduled, just planned, trans is complicated, drugs, hormones, surgery JC now refers to Ext#9, again from 1st
@JCCFCanada case
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JC says it is JY participating in a makeup forum (for teenage girls) talking about periods, tampons, being in a female change room JY - wasn't me, won't answer questions about it
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I have written (should JY) "look for the string", "have a dick" and asking if women will have their "tits and pussy out" as quotes from this exhibit.
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? Has your name (I think Jonathan not Jessica) and (male) profile pic, true or false? JY - never sent, lots of fake profiles, fake profiles created by Lindsey Shepard, she's
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? MD should be compelled by state to let you come to her private residence, compelled by state to wax your male genitals? JY - yes, it's a public service ? JY has said was burnt when getting arm wax in past? JY - was on my private FB, how did JC get
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JY - wasn't burn, was allergic reaction, waxing place was dirty, blood and feces on the walls, has reported them to Fraser Health Authority ? Relevant to you that MD has no exp waxing male genitals? JY - no, says JC made false submissions, discusses waxing supplies needed
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Member asks JC re relevance of JY's arm wax burn experience JC says example relevant, JY is litigious, if MD burnt JY through inexperience then JY would have filed complaint JY - you say I file complaints all day Member says yes, relevant, JY has filed complaints
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JY - would talk to MD, ( not filed complaint) ? Possible you would have filed complaint? JY - talks about hitting JC's car, would talk it out with JC ? Compel MD to provide service with no exp, would then file complaint? Member says JY has answered, proposes lunch break
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Discussion as MD needs to leave soon to go to work. Break into JY's testimony, allow MD to testify now so she can leave for work? JY comments that "always interested in fairness" but notes has had to miss work for hearings.
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? Opportunity to tell the Tribunal what happened, asks MD background? MD: - started home wax business in March 2018 - Mom with 3 kids - husband works & not at home during day - had brazillian wax ad on FB Marketplace - was promo, low price, promo finished, so marked sold (out)
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? Home alone with 3 kids, address provided was building address, not fake? MD - yes ? Would give client's unit # when in area? MD - yes Then JC asks about how MD came to txt JY? MC says that pregnant woman (Jessica) reached out, wasn't JY's pic, MD texted # provided, was JY's
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GD adds that she was busy with her 4 yr old during text convo. ? Why no unit# given? MD - safety, always meets new clients outside of her building to vet - found txts with JY weird, booked for 4 but JY texted over & over, msg after msg - saw JY wasn't the original pregnant woman
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- JY had seen her kids & family on her personal profile - felt unsafe, husband felt same way - was JY trans, didn't know how pregnant woman could be trans woman - issues with JY's deception ? Experienced and comfortable waxing male genitals? MD - no
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MD - JY called MD's work, talked to her boss - JY told boss scared for MD to provide services (to young people) at work - sent msgs to boss - JY reported MD's FB profile (w nickname) as fake, was suspended, MD had to set up new profile JY interrupts to say not me who reported
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MD - got Tribunal notice of complaint at work, very upset - got a msg from "Jessica" saying at your house, what's the unit #, I forgot - JY said on FB that MD has problem with LGBT - has blocked JY on SM, everything - went to the police, worried about her kids on way to school
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- called JY in front of police, stop contact with MD - JY said MD doesn't know law in Canada, JY will take further action - then MD taken to Tribunal - shut down her business, talks about fear now having a stranger in home, being contacted at work, all of JY's msgs
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? Trained to wax male genitals MD - no Member asks question about MD's husband not being comfortable MD - no (strange) men in home when alone - safety issue - "everyone has the right to decide who to have in home"
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Member asks MD, no problem with trans women (if it was the msgs/texts) MD - yes, weird msgs - thought trans woman meant JY has had surgery - felt sorry JY was denied service but JY kept texting even after she explained home alone with 4year old - 7 and 12 year old home too
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- waxing room at home has door and lock - normally has just waxed friends & family - first time on FB Marketplace, had never had stranger in home - when "Jessica" said at her house, (and asked for unit #) it was a lie Member asks MD what her understanding of a trans woman is?
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MD - understanding of trans woman is person who has had surgery, has become female, MD would be waxing female genitals
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