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My feminism prioritises the material condition of women over the internal identification of men. I am a #mythicalbiologicalfemale.

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    1.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      JY - refused for 16 waxes, why? Has to travel to XXX, why? Has to pay more money, why? Has impacted dignity, feeling of self worth, financial impact to travel Member asks no salons in Vancouver will do? JY - too expensive.

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    2.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      JY then asks Member if they can address price differential for gender based services (women having to pay more than men). Member - not at this hearing. JY's testimony is over, will call Parent after break. Member reminds JY that parent's testimony cannot be used in other cases

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    3.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Also due to rules, must notify @JurisCameron who may not agree. JY then asks re costs that they say they have received in other cases when respondents have not appeared. Says it's discrimination, respondent didn't file response, didn't show up, no notice to Tribunal

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    4.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      JY says respondent was uncooperative, wouldn't participate in mediation, JY has had to miss work, (makes mid three figures a day) wants costs for this hearing and three more cases in next week or so where respondents will not appear.

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    5.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Member points out that respondent has not delayed or prejudiced hearing, is not required to participate in mediation and as JY has filed complaint, they would need to be here anyway. Note: Member has already said JY appears eager to settle via mediation (as easier for costs?).

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    6.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Morning break. Parent comes over to me. Asks loudly who I work for? Why am I writing? Parent thinks I am affiliated with the @JCCFCanada (I am not). I say, probably best if we don't talk. Parent says I know who you are and who you work for, "you will answer for it!"

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    7.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Nice lady in gallery tells me that parent took picture of her before I got there. Member was not in the room so I go to reception to tell them about it all thinking Member will address when hearing resumes. Member does not address.

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    8.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Having a quick break here, back soon.

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    9.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Now it is time for JY's parent to give testimony. Parent, is now sworn in. The point of their testimony is to document the impact that the denial of services has had on JY. Will note: Parent testified a lot about the impact on themselves too!

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    10.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      Going to call them PY for this - Parent is too long. PY begins by saying they will not just testify as a witness but as a parent. JY? What was I born as, boy, girl or both? PY - both JY? What was my gender identity? PY - I didn't want to admit it but you wanted to be a girl

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       🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

      PY - JY played with Barbie dolls, Barbie clothes, said make me a dress, make me a princess JY? Just to shut down the hate, what was my age when I got my first period? PY - 13 or 14 years old JY? Liked girl or boy clothes? PY - Girl JY? Toys? JY - Girl

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        2.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY? Outside the house, boy or girl? PY - boy because of the shaming JY? Throughout life have I had major abdominal cramping? PY - yes JY? Why is female gender id a threat to other women? PY - doesn't see how it should be, is it how someone looks, their body parts

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        3.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY comments about "a deeply held bias against other women." PY - it has been emotional harassment and discrimination beyond comprehension. It's causing me to leave Canada after XX years. That's instead of taking my own life, I have threatened to.

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        4.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY - will take whole family when I leave. Will exhume XXX and XXX and take them. "Where are the human rights?" Where are the rights against publication? Why do we have to go through all 16 cases? (note - may have meant separately) Has been sleepless for 48 hrs.

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        5.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY - Dr. Is mad at them for taking care of JY. Has no strength, only from God and their religion. Their XXX gives them advice and strength. PY continues, mostly talking directly at Member: Stop all proceedings, bunch them together, too hard to attend so many.

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        6.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY - JY is very sick, doesn't want the, to have a XXX. Is embarrassed in front of Tribunal, on social media including this ...refers to me. PY says their life is over and they are leaving the country. "No one will find my identity" JY? Says wait, the impact on my mental...

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        7.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY - doesn't want to say personal details so hard to answer, JY has only slept 5 times in own bed, has been to ER 9 times...(time period is unclear) PY asks JY: "Are you a human being right now? No, you are not?" Sick JY is not JY! JY asks re mental impact again

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        8.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY - doesn't want to reveal medical info but big impact JY? Asks PY what has been the impact of my (yes, mine!) tweets. PY - says I work for @JurisCameron, no evidence, just what JY shows them late at night, no time during the day, too many Dr. appts. Too much medical...

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        9.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY? On scale of 1 to 10, rate impact of harassment - physical, emotional and psychological? PY - 11 JY begins a question about a stalking issue, being repeatedly stalked but stopped by the Member who asks how it is related to current JT complaint - it isn't, so no question.

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        10.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY? How important has it been having the publication ban? PY - Very. should include their whole family, should include the family XXX. Note: there is a part about Photoshopping here that I am leaving out. PY - it is beyond scope, cried all night, called police

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        11.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY then says they have called police and ambulance and they are on their way. No one bats an eye and things proceed. JY? How important is gender affirming care for me? PY - seems to say JY came out in July, no year mentioned. Says JY told everyone before them.

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        12.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY is a a proud Parent. PY then misgenders JY several times: calls them a XXX of the LGBT, says directly to JY, you became the XXX you always wanted to be. No one corrects PY. JY? Affirmative gender care "validates" my gender id? PY - yes

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        13.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY? Says with you, PY almost 24/7 (PY only has 1 private day a week). Lists places they go (burger chain, coffee chain...) asks PY to describe discrimination they have seen JY experience. PY - after very nice meeting with Town of XXX, went to XXX, this was prior to JY's XXX

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        14.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY - they wouldn't serve JY any food, only a drink. Also discrimination at other location. PY then says - they are not racist - but race and religion have been used against JY - their position is two points: wanted to ask SGF (father of SG from last @JurisCameron case)...

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        15.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY then breaks off to say that they think the Tribunal shouldn't have let SGF use a translator. Why did the Tribunal agree? Says their tax dollars paid for the translator, doesn't want their money going to the translator. Says of SGF, how long in Canada? SGF should know english.

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        16.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY continues, "can't force religion and culture on us". Human rights should trump religion, every religion. Is translator there when SGF does daily things? Why do they get to "use religion to waste Tribunal time?"

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        17.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          Member points out that they are giving PY lots of leeway but this is not relevant to current JT case. JY? More examples of in person discrimination? PY - XXX, JY wanted eyelashes for an important legal appearance - was denied. Eyelash woman on vacay, PY asks, yes, no problem

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        18.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY? PY, you were sitting with me at the dining room table, told me what to say when requesting wax services, saw the backlash? PY - yes JY? Denial of service, discrimination and backlash are a form of neo nazism (more of a statement than a question) PY - why go there...

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        19.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          Note: going to leave some stuff out here due to pub ban. JY? Neo Nazis use ideology - trying to make BC a neo nazi state. PY? They take over an area, like Hitler and make it their own. Canadians don't understand. PY then says they can't have a party for XXX because of XXX.

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        20.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          JY? Impact on me? PY - enough already, I answered a thousand times JY? Describe my personality? PY - wonderful XXX, deeping love day by day, proud & applaud you, wonderful person & wonderful mission PY then misgenders JY : becoming the "XXX of the minority." No one corrects PY.

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        21.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          Member stops the questions. Says JY & PY must be prepared. Member has given lots of leeway that they may not get tomorrow with @JCCFCanada case. Likely PY will not be allowed so much testimony. Member says allowed leeway but will weigh testimony given.

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        22.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          Member says that arguments, opinions and non relevant information won't be allowed. Member has discretion and will exercise it strongly, especially in light of time constraints.

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        23.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          Says if JY brings up,online harassment, they are opening a can of worms as @JurisCameron can address it, (other side, causes?) JY? Is there a max threshold for costs re improper conduct? Member says no threshold. JY gives a little laugh and says okay.

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        24.  🕸goinglikeelsie‏ @goinglikeelsie 16 Jul 2019

          PY doesn't want to be questioned by @JurisCameron JY wants to put two upcoming cases together. Both have no respondents are appearing. Rsspondent in one is out of business. JY says too much planning around travel - can't take the Skytrain (no pic replies please!)

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