Re: misogyny at @UW "Put Reges on the university equivalent of the “desk duty” that police officers get placed on while an incident is under investigation. If you leave your courses in his hands, what message are you sending to the young women who will enroll in those classes?"https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1013272779418841088 …
As a women who can code, I can say I got sick of a major that forces you to underdevelop your social and cultural knowledge even when it is clearly relevant to issues of computation , software. Maybe women want to code, but they just get sick of an intellectually narrow comp sci
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Majoring in cs: learning to code and do math for 3 years only to watch Stanford AI prof explain that Bayesian stats algos find that nurses are likely to be women. And going home and screaming into a paper bag b/c there is no disciplinary role for critique or sociology of gender
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Were the creators of this class assuming that gender means female and females like helping people (hence ictd)? Such assumptions were regularly published at SIGCSE when I published there in early 2000s.
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Ah, if only engaging gender meant engaging the discipline that studies it. Repeat for many cs-engages-the-social-ethical topics. This paper.would have helped: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40338817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents …
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Interesting. There's a professor at the University of Washington who makes a very similar argument:pic.twitter.com/idkXV0re5z
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Not sure Twitter noticed my subtle criticism. That excerpt is from the article by Stuart Reges, the guy being shamed. So what am I to make of this? Is this argument "warmed-over bullshit", the enlightened feminist truth, or what?
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I think the Stuart Reges argument is making the wrong argument. It is suggesting there is something different about women that keeps them from CS. (He says coding, but he really means CS.) I'm arguing that there's something wrong with CS keeping the kinds of people we need away.
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It sounds like you're both describing the same physical reality, and just assigning the blame differently. Reges blames women's interests and you blame CS for not being compatible with women's interests
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If that's what you intended from the get-go then maybe I'm the one missing the twitter subtleties here-- just wasn't expecting to see anyone make that argument
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I was trying to address Reges' argument in his terms, but feminists have long pointed out the problems with talking about women as such, hence intersectional work. Twitter is hard with the subtleties. :)
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To be clear, I'm fine with CS not being feminist studies. They serve different purposes. But a lot of the Facebook addiction, algorithmic bias, civil liberties stuff should have space in a discipline that claims responsibility for knowing and building computation.
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I felt that way when I quit engineering school 20 years ago! As a software dev today, my liberal arts training helps a lot. The middle path I'm on is pretty unbroken, but leaves us lots of room to grow.....
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eek, it was more like 30 years ago. whizzing by!
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true that. this is why i never coded with others at uni but by myself.
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Thank you. I've been fighting this forever, and losing, but I never came up with such a trenchant wording.
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