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    1. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      Disclaimer: I'm not super familiar with @generativist's work and the intended referents of 'control', 'interactions', and 'optimization' in the quoted tweet above. I'm mostly intentionally inappropriately reading it as a response to our prior work (below).

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    2. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      A. I find this infrastructural perspective on industry isomorphism a useful addition to my thinking on these issues.[2] D. Some users effectively exert control (purposive influence) despite limited "controls". Effectively, the controls include activity folded into words & acts.

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    3. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      C. Activity in this folded-interface, the particulars in the explaining & exhorting and the actions explained & exhorted, is contested by different (sub)groups of users and challenged by the company actors. The company actors police "illegitimate" behavior—however arbitrary.

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    4. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      Daniel Griffin Retweeted emily bell

      D. Scale itself is a business decision. "Maybe scale doesn’t scale?"https://twitter.com/emilybell/status/1215364912417034241 …

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      emily bellVerified account @emilybell
      Replying to @ananny
      the answer to all scale problems seems to be either...stop ...or add more humans ..... Maybe scale doesn’t scale???!!!!
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    5. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      These tweets from @generativist help me ponder again "control" here: Constrained company actors write code to create certain[3] controls. Users exploit/extend the control capacity of what they've been given. Company actors, then, uncertainly act to control a folded-interface.[4]

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    6. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      ___ 1. w/ @jennaburrell, Zoe Kahn, & @annejonas: When Users Control the Algorithms: Values Expressed in Practices on Twitter https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359240 …pic.twitter.com/gjXCXYg9np

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    7. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      2. Like ecosystem externalities that influence a long-tail of technical data engineering decisions (and the afforded business decisions) within companies?

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    8. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      3. "certain controls": 'certain' as (tentatively/temporarily thought of as or to be) defined & definite.

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    9. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      Daniel Griffin Retweeted Daniel Griffin

      4. Folded-interface should perhaps be phrased the "frothy-folded-interface".https://twitter.com/danielsgriffin/status/1121645154207559680 …

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      Daniel Griffin @danielsgriffin
      To borrow some language from another article about the Motherboard characterization of technical coulds, what strikes *me* about the technical coulds article is how it seems to take for granted the claims from Twitter that traditional moderation is "nuanced" rather than "frothy". pic.twitter.com/ZVFEuw4Fiu
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    10. Daniel Griffin‏ @danielsgriffin Jan 14
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      Daniel Griffin Retweeted Daniel Griffin

      Addendum: I can't mention "control" here without recalling this sobering line from Eslami et al.'s "“I always assumed that I wasn’t really that close to [her]”: Reasoning about invisible algorithms in the news feed":https://twitter.com/danielsgriffin/status/900760065015111682 …

      Daniel Griffin added,

      Daniel Griffin @danielsgriffin
      Replying to @danielsgriffin
      "...whenever a software developer in Menlo Park adjusts a parameter, someone somewhere wrongly starts to believe themselves to be unloved."
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       💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist Jan 14
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      Replying to @danielsgriffin

      Oh wow, great thread! Gonna digest this more in the morning

      6:30 PM - 14 Jan 2020
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