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    1. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      Tech cos have not only write access, but read access - they have a close feedback loop, so they can optimize their messaging for you in infinitely more nuanced detail - shaping your emotional state, your beliefs, your values and your behavior in realtime. What democracy? 5/5

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    2.  🔥Kareem Carr 🔥‏ @kareem_carr 12 Jun 2019
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      1. Isn’t it pretty natural to try to make your argument as convincing as possible whether as a person, a non-profit etc 2. This sounds dangerously close to “don’t listen to opposing views just in case they convince you”

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    3. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      (1) But 'natural' doesn't carry any moral weight, right? A beggar on the street is doing his best to be convincing, a kid throwing a tantrum is doing its best to be convincing, a con artist, an actor, the senate majority leader, etc. The moral weight is in the goals.

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    4. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      (2) I don't think we have a choice. The literal boundaries of the virtual spaces we inhabit are constrained by the companies whose primary business is in leasing out the ability to motivate or constrain our behavior. It's not about 'convincing' people, that's a different layer.

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    5. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      So what does it mean to make an expression 'as convincing as possible'? The real game is making an expression as effective as possible. If you want to win people to your side, sure, optimize for convincing. If you want to sell a product, optimize for insecurity.

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    6. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      Tech companies are creating a new science around manipulating human behavior at scale. We know this, right? It's literally their business model. Why don't we ever talk about that? Doesn't that sound like the sort of thing that should be studied? Is it just 'speech'?

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    7. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      Because the tools that let you optimize for insecurity on behalf of a deodorant company will also let you optimize on behalf of political ideology, religion, voter turnout and anything else anyone wants to buy. It's in the nature of the tools themselves, right?

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    8. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 12 Jun 2019
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      That's why I'm not worried about missing out from hearing out antivaxers or watching fox news spew the latest talking points from the murderous hatemongers they serve. After careful consideration I see them as fundamentally optimizing for harm, and that's enough for me.

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    9.  🔥Kareem Carr 🔥‏ @kareem_carr 13 Jun 2019
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      The examples you mentioned sound like separate issues. I don’t think a tech company has any inherent interest in promoting Fox News or does Fox maybe have this new science technology as well? Why would either Fox or tech companies benefit by convincing people to avoid vaccines?

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    10.  🔥Kareem Carr 🔥‏ @kareem_carr 13 Jun 2019
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      I see at least three different circumstances here: 1. Commercial entity profiting but neutrally aligned relative to audience 2. Commercial entity profiting and positively aligned with the audience and 3. Audience without a clear commercial entity involved

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       💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 13 Jun 2019
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      (Gonna come back to this in a bit. long thread and i woke up to an corrupted gpu buffer for like no reason.)

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        2. myk is teetering‏ @mykola 13 Jun 2019
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          This is more nuanced than late-night stoned tweeting can properly articulate. I’ll try to write up a more formal essay. The thesis is about the capabilities inherent to these systems, not about the current intentions of their current owners.

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        3.  💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 13 Jun 2019
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          I 100% agree with that thesis.

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