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    1.  💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 26 Mar 2019
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      1/ When someone uses the phrase "identity politics" derisively, I almost immediately write them off as a fool. But, in doing so, I think it's important not to also dismiss the idea that — beyond a certain level of emphasis — it becomes a very useful vector for reactionary attack.pic.twitter.com/jRYsd6ET1x

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    2. Eli Sennesh‏ @EliSennesh 26 Mar 2019
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      I've never heard of "black privilege", but I think "idpol" fails to denote one thing anymore. Some of it is civil rights. Some is partisan tribalism. Some is racial nationalism But Woke And Good Actually somehow.

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    3. Michael T. Bacon‏ @MichaelTBacon 26 Mar 2019
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      There are basically no politics that are not at some level identity politics. "Identity politics" is an attack line because people with "default" identities (white, male, straight, whatev) are not seen as having identities. So reactionary politics, which are idpol, get a pass.

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       💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 26 Mar 2019
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      I 100% agree — all politics are at some level identity politics, especially in the United States (at least if economic class is included, too). My very very narrow critique is that the status quo can exploit the same logic and morality isn't a strong solvent.

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        2. Michael T. Bacon‏ @MichaelTBacon 26 Mar 2019
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          Sure -- "class consciousness," whatever else you think about it, is becoming aware of your position and recognizing that position in others. That's an identity (or at least a part of one.)

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        3. Eli Sennesh‏ @EliSennesh 26 Mar 2019
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          That's only "an identity" within a system of thought with no epistemic normativity. Otherwise you have to deal with the fact that "owner", "slave", etc are objectively enforced roles, while the "defaults" are privileged precisely because they suffer less identity policing.

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        2. Eli Sennesh‏ @EliSennesh 26 Mar 2019
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          I still hold that collapsing it down to "all politics is identity politics" erases the distinction between objective causal roles and subjective self-identities, eroding the very grounds on which someone oppressed, marginalized, or exploited *can* fight for self-determination.

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        3. Michael T. Bacon‏ @MichaelTBacon 26 Mar 2019
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          Heh. As I said, I'm a Latour fan. Erasing the distinction between subject and object is a feature in most cases for me, not a bug. But to push it further, I'll go to Spivak. Even if the subaltern speaks without listener, the subaltern cannot speak.

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