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    1.  💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 25 Mar 2019
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      1/ I've seen this sentiment a few times recently, and it's making #pythonista me worried. I think our community is kind and friendly. But, I also think, "what community?" Python has lots of them, and it may be harder to navigate than R which is a lot more narrowly-focused. https://twitter.com/jdossgollin/status/1110217703955021824 …

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       💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 25 Mar 2019
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      2/ Is this a problem? Where do things break down? What are your experiences? How can we it feel more welcoming?

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        1.  💥 (wannabe) Ƀreaker of (the Bad) Loops  💫‏ @generativist 25 Mar 2019
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          (oh, cc @pwang because I'm sure you've thought and read a lot more about this.)

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        2. Keiran Thompson‏ @drenerbas 25 Mar 2019
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          When you try to contribute. There are absurd things in matplotlib and sklearn, but the main devs are quite defensive. So the project ossifies.

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          Trying not to come across as defensive, but in like every other mpl dev call there's a discussion on getting rid of [thing everyone agrees is absurd] and then someone mentions [larger than you'd think] user base that critically relies on it. It's a tightrope for bigger projects.

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        2. Brent Auble‏ @brentauble 25 Mar 2019
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          I don't think the Python community is necessarily unfriendly, but I'd suppose that the likelihood of encountering an unfriendly Python user is greater than an unfriendly R user. Part of that is the history, as others have mentioned. Python was built by programmers for programmers

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        3. Brent Auble‏ @brentauble 25 Mar 2019
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          While R was built by statisticians for statisticians, so the focus is naturally narrower, allowing for easier community feel, but it's more than just that. Think about the user experience for new programmers in each language. In both cases, it's simple syntax, without a lot of

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        2. Frank ⌁‏ @FrankElavsky 25 Mar 2019
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          I've said this a few times in the past, myself. The response has largely been related to how these two communities started. The conclusion is that statistics people learning code had to be a lot more humble and generous than a community built first around software development.

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        3. Frank ⌁‏ @FrankElavsky 25 Mar 2019
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          And yeah, #Rstats is generally a community with focus. Even so, I believe any given sub community of python has a hard time looking at groups like @RLadiesGlobal and saying, "yeah we are more inclusive and welcoming than them."

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          The first time I attempted to learn Python, it was Python 3, and when I asked for help a handful of people all told me not to bother, and to stick with python 2, instead of helping solve my problem. Not saying "all python users," but it certainly made it a challenge to learn

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        1. Jeff Graham‏ @JeffGraham15 25 Mar 2019
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          R stinks, stick with python.

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        1. Natalie Thurlby‏ @StatalieT 26 Mar 2019
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          I <3 python 💖🐍, but the R twitter community is more visible and visibly friendly. R ladies may be a big contributing factor. I really like the "pythonic" ethos (easy to read and look at!), but the word is poison. It says: there's only one right way to do things, so be afraid.

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