So in this clip claims that Geert vanden Bosch's prediction of variants being caused by the vaccines have been proved right. But it's not true. The variants (Alpha/Delta) appeared well before the vaccine roll outs... 1/n
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In their Substack article B&H squared the circle by claiming that the variants were caused by small vaccine trials in the relevant countries (attached). Not only is this pure speculation, but the argument stretches credulity. 2/n
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VDB's argument is a numbers game, cases + vaccine penetration = more likelihood of mutations & variants. If small trials caused variants, then it would mean variants were extremely easy to create... 3/n
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...and given the numbers of cases and the high vaccination rates now, we would be seeing them arising everywhere. The UK would be one of the prime locations, and we also have the most DNA sequencing capacity in the world so we'd spot it. 4/n
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In this clip this claim is conflated with important topics that do require analysis such as the waning immunity from the vaccines, the difference between natural immunity & vaccine immunity, and other valid topics. These arguments need to be pulled apart 5/5
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David this thread seems to show misunderstanding. Of course the variants showed up before vaccination because the claim isn't that they are causing them. Variation always occurs. These vaccines are a narrow selective pressure on that variation. Any outside of them proliferate.
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Not the case, read the substack article - they specifically argue that vaccine trials *created* these variants.
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also address this with Lex. Was astonishing that Bret sees this take as "Industrial strength propaganda" as he said to Joe around the segment you shared
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I have had doubts that vaccines alone cause mutants. I would think any kind of immunity would drive variants, as the virus figures out immune escape.
But given the narrow target of the current vaccines, I think the jury is still out on whether these are long-term solutions.
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Couldn't the argument be they randomly mutated and then was able to outcompete other variants because of their ability to evade the vaccine?
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That is exactly what B&H are saying. David parses that argument as B&H saying the vaccines "caused" the variants, because he's not really good at this, as has pointed out.
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