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French security researcher. Worst nightmare of Oneplus, Wiko, UIDAI, Kimbho and others. Not completely schizophrenic. Not related to USANetwork. DMs open.

Joined June 2015

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    Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 6

    As a developer, what would be your reaction if you discover that your work (applications, libraries, ...) has been reutilised by an oppressive regime like North Korea, in order to spy on its fellow citizens? Explain the answer if possible.

    8:29 AM - 6 Jan 2018
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      1. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 7

        Poll is closed. Thank you all for your answers. I have to say I'm surprise by the number of "I don't care" answers but ok. The implicit question here is "Instead of making crappy #android apps, how I can help these people with my skills?"

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      2. Phillip the Goat‏ @Chupy35 Jan 7
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        First we have to learn real history and stop being etnocentrist

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      3. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 7
        Replying to @Chupy35

        What do you mean?

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      4. Phillip the Goat‏ @Chupy35 Jan 7
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        NK uses the tools they can, all they want is to be considered as a country and sign the peace, with your tools you help any kind of person, you can not be a ethics God who decides who deserves it and who don't. Because ethics depend on a side, and trust me no one has the reason.

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      5. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 7
        Replying to @Chupy35

        Surveillance tools are not ethical for sure, whatever the regime or the story of the country.

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      2. Néstor Rodríguez‏ @_NestorRV Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        Frustrated, because I would have been working on something to help people but it would be used against the rights of the people I would be trying to help.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 6
        Replying to @_NestorRV

        Totally agree

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      4. Joonatan Honkanen‏ @jocxFIN Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y @_NestorRV

        Lol, didn't see your reply before i wrote mine, but yea, you summarized it super well

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      2. William DA SILVA‏ @willia_am Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        I don't give a damn. At least it's used by someone.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 6
        Replying to @willia_am

        Really? What about ethics?

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      4. Moyster‏ @oysterized Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y @willia_am

        Ethics shouldn't be the pbm here, releasing anything public is for "the better and the worse" . Code shouldn't be politized and/or forbidding/making harder for some people to use it, They probably used Linux/windows, simple tools like ftp, do we add "bad ppl" DRMs in them ? 😊

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      2. kamal‏ @designerkamal Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        This is inevitable. You don't think any other spy agency in the world uses open-source libs in their tools? One is not ethically responsible for ther creation

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 6
        Replying to @designerkamal

        Sure, but do we have ways to, at least, detect this kind of use?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. kamal‏ @designerkamal Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        That would mean tracking (ironically!) 😈

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      2. Joonatan Honkanen‏ @jocxFIN Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        I'd be not happy. Working on application takes a lot of time and resources and if any regime(especially regime like NK) would use it against the people I've made the application for, i would be angry af. But after all, what can you do at that situation? :(

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 6
        Replying to @jocxFIN

        This is the implicit question of this poll: do you have a technical way to detect and avoid this kind of reuse?

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      4. Joonatan Honkanen‏ @jocxFIN Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        Well my only experience with this kind of detection has been pretty simple, i wrote code which checked the package name on android software and then the library was using same kind of method to check the origin source. It works but it has own flaws...

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      2. martmists‏ @martmists Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        If I care enough about it while developing I make sure to put a license on it which legally allows me to control what and what *not* the code is used in.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Elliot Alderson‏ @fs0c131y Jan 6
        Replying to @martmists

        Even you have put the correct license what can you do against a country like North Korea?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. martmists‏ @martmists Jan 6
        Replying to @fs0c131y

        Sue North Korea of course. If they don't pay we'll just send nukes :P

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. martmists‏ @martmists Jan 6
        Replying to @martmists @fs0c131y

        All jokes aside though, a better option is to, with an open source project, add in a closed source library that can exploit the device and/or delete itself if needed.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Moyster‏ @oysterized Jan 7
        Replying to @martmists @fs0c131y

        Did you just say "add backdoors and a killswitch" to FOSS projects to prevent them from being reused by N.K ? N.Korea has job offers for you 😂 Literally you're all cute, bringing N.K back to the right path doesn't start with saboting the tools they use. Same applies everywhere.

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