Which pretty much sums up a core aspect of the current problem: namely, that one side frequently considers using citations "cheating".
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An argument I've had: Them: You sound like you're just reading talking points from [newspaper]! Me: Yes? Because THAT'S WHERE THE FACTS ARE.
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But they don't want facts. They want RHETORIC, but of a very specific, non-factual kind. They want to FEEL persuaded, not to reason it out.
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At the same time, there's a conservative subset that, through a mix of malice, ignorance & sheer stubbornness, can't evaluate sources.
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I'm not saying the left never muddles, fudges or fucks up its sources; clearly, that happens. But at the same time: https://gizmodo.com/facebooks-fight-against-fake-news-was-undercut-by-fear-1788808204 …
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Which is why so many FB fights abt recent politics get SO FRUSTRATING: you're debating people asking an impossible burden of proof -
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- not because your arguments can't be sourced, but because they won't accept your sources & can't distinguish the borked ones of their own.
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But when someone from their side crosses the floor and agrees with the left - like, at present, Glenn Beck? Doesn't count. He's a traitor.
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And so the burden of restating existing arguments that have already been proven, sourced & summarised elsewhere is put on non-rhetoricians.
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Which is setting most people up to fail, not because they're wrong, but because they've been denied the necessary tools to make that clear.
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In conclusion, I am really fucking sick of false equivalences, confirmation bias, wilful ignorance and hypocrisy dominating politics. FIN.
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It's like arguing religious doctrine with very devoted believers, and all you can offer is the opinion of heretics & apostates
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